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[xpernet]

Hey Guys!

I have just taken a look at a 1988 Porsche 924S. The car has been parked for about 6 months or more. The car's body is in a rough shape (rust around the antena, minor rust above rear bumper, side skirts, small dent at the back side, but no rust on the floor panels) The interior is in a good condition (although dash is cracked). The engine runs great though only problem is that the power steering doesnt seem to be working and i dont know wether the pump is damaged or it needs fluid. Electrics are perfect.

The guy is asking around 3K and i might offer him 2k... What do u think guys? Is it worth it??? The engine seems to have lots of potential. Is there anything else should i check, cuz im not familiar with the 924S. I know that i have to replace the timing belt as soon as i get it, and it definately needs new brakes. Probably a complete paint job, which i have to get a quote for that too.

Thanx in Advance

xpernet
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1977 Porsche 924
Sunroof Delete
Megasquirt II EFI & EDIS
Carrera GTS / 944 Body

"If one does not fail at times, then one has not challenged himself." Ferdinand Porsche

[Lizard]

as you said the timing belt and waterpump would need to be done, as well as all front engine seals, for $2k it wouldnt be bad, but it will need another $2-3K in parts to bring it up to snuff, then if you want paint on top of that.
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3 928s,

[genikz88]

You might check the option code sticker in the trunk, under the carpet by the latch. You should be able to get to it without destroying anything.

Some options are very desirable, like an LSD.

Otherwise, exactly what Lizard said. I love my 924S, but keep in mind old car = old suspension (unless it was replaced at some point). My car handles like crap right now, but after some suspension work I'm hoping to be delighted.

best of luck!
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Chris
'88 924S

[D Hook]

I wonder why it has so much rust? Those were totally galvanized bodies. Unless it was wrecked once and the repairs weren't done correctly. I suppose that's possible.
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'80 924 n/a SOLD

[xpernet]

I honestly dont know whats with the rust, but my dad's 02 Grandprix is supposed to have a galvanized body and the car has some rust
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1977 Porsche 924
Sunroof Delete
Megasquirt II EFI & EDIS
Carrera GTS / 944 Body

"If one does not fail at times, then one has not challenged himself." Ferdinand Porsche

[MrKrik]

clearly none of you guys have lived in ontario......... EVERYTHING rust is ontario .... if plastic could rust it would do ti in ontario

[mhart]

I'd say you should probably revise your offer down a little bit....power steering issues can be costly, particularly in labor, and the timing belt service isn't cheap. If you can, check to see if the odometer is still rolling over - its not uncommon for that to break in these cars.

Just as a point of reference, I paid $1400 for my 924S, which was billed as running but in need of tune up with interior wear and some exterior damage....let's just say over the past 6 months, I've loved watching the car come back together, but said experience has been far from free
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'87 924 S - No sunroof and a few modifications

[mhart]

I don't mean to discourage you though.....the 924S is one of the most underrated sports cars out there in my opinion....it has all the handling of the 924/944, mechanical stability and power of the 944, and the old skool styling of the 924 (looks better than the early widebody 944's imo)

Not to mention that its kinda unique (and only getting more unique over time)
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'87 924 S - No sunroof and a few modifications

[timstar92404]

I think paint/ body work is the most expensive, I personally wouldn't get a car with a rough body and bad paint. If you don't care how it looks then that's fine but if you care it can take more money to fix body/ paint than to do mechanical work.

At least make sure it is not crashed, check the body gaps carefully 924S should really have no rust even the ones in rough shape usually have no rust.

if the body is in rough shape usually that means that the owners didn't really care for the car.

2000 is pretty good for 924S in Canada they are usually the same price as a 944 here I've seen them listed for 4-7 k but it depends on condition obviously
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78 924 sold.
85.5 944

[timstar92404]

belts/ water pump + power steering + brakes will probably cost 2500+ at a porsche shop.

so the car will cost you at least 4500 (if you pay 2000) and it will still have crappy paint/ body.
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78 924 sold.
85.5 944

[gohim]

Timstar,

What are you doing here giving out advise? You can't even change spark plugs without causing a disaster.

$2500 is not going to get the front of engine service, brakes, and power steering serviced at a Porsche Dealer. You would probably be looking at more like a $3500-$4000 bill.

Of course it depending on what you are having done. Brake pads are $75 a set, brake rotors about $400 for a set of four (figure $800-$1000 to get the brakes replaced, not including resealed calipers), the power steering rack would be between $500-$1000, and the power steering pump $300-$500 (rebuilt, not including the labor to install), and the front of engine service close to $2000 (between $1500-$2500, depending on what you have done, waterpump?).

Don't take my word for it. Call an Authorized Porsche Dealer, and ask them for a rough estimate for a complete front and rear brake job, power steering rebuild and front of engine service would cost.

Does that sound like a $2500 service bill at a Porsche Dealer?

On the other hand, you could probably buy all of the new parts, specialty tools that would be needed, and the factory service manual set for $2500 or less, and do the work yourself.

AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT TIMSTAR.

[timstar92404]

Yes Gohim I don't know how to change a spark plug

thanks for writting my name in capital letters because I also have trouble reading my name, it's really confusing.`
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78 924 sold.
85.5 944

[xpernet]

Well, i am not worried about brakes because i can replace them and the rotors easily (did alot of that in automotive course) And i am intending to do everything else except the paintjob. I have estimated about 1700CAD in parts if i want to do the front engine service + brakes + tools required (+ the radio and dashcap )

Im gonna look at it this time with dad one more time on saturday and then decide. I think that rebuilding the PS pump would do the trick, but before assuming anything how do i know that the pump is the cause? The car steers as if it had a manual rack.

How much did u guys pay for a paint job, so i would know if the Bodyshop is ripping me off or not... i should get a quote soon.

xpernet
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1977 Porsche 924
Sunroof Delete
Megasquirt II EFI & EDIS
Carrera GTS / 944 Body

"If one does not fail at times, then one has not challenged himself." Ferdinand Porsche

[gohim]

I think 1700 CDN to get all the necessary replacement parts is a little optimistic.

These are prices in US dollars...

On the brakes... Rotors only have 1.5 to 2.0mm of wear thickness when new. Figure you will need to replace them. $50-$75 each for the fronts and $75-$95 each for the rears. Caliper seal kits are $15-$20 each for the four corners. Brake pads are a minimum of $40-$50 an axle set (front or rear). Original rubber brake hoses (if you need them) are about $20 each, or between $60-$100 for a set of four teflon lines with stainless steel braided covers. Caliper hardware is about $50-$60 per axle set (cross springs, pad retainer pins, and retainer pin clips). Caliper hardware can be purchased as separate/individual parts. Front wheel bearings will cost you about $10-$15 each (could need (4), there are (2) at each wheel).

Power steering pump reseal kits are only available from a single source, and I think he charges around $100 for a kit. A rebuilt power steering pump will cost $300-$500. Power steering rack will cost somewhere between $300-$1000 depending one the brand and where you buy it from.

Parts for the front of engine service will cost somewhere around $500-$600, if you buy all generic parts with a generic (LASCO) waterpump (junk) or rebuilt waterpump (quality is spotty), and over $1000 for all new parts with a new waterpump from an authorized Porsche Dealer.

Tools will cost over $700 if you get the Genuine Porsche P9201 belt tension gauge and calibrator, or less than $200 if you are willing to take your chances with an aftermarket alternative belt tension tool.

A paint job could cost anywhere between $100 to $10,000, depending on what the shop does (are they going to do bodywork, rust repair is very expensive), what they use, and who does the work.

The critical question is how bad is the rust? As it has already been mentioned, it takes a lot to make a 924S rust, unless the body has been crashed before. AND RUST REPAIR IS EXPENSIVE.

If you have described the condition of the car fairly, I think $2000 CDN for the car itself is probably too much.

[timstar92404]

from what I've read on clarks garage/ rennlist, almost no one uses the special Porsche tensioning tool for obvious reasons (too expensive).

I just got the "cricket" tensioning tool in my timing belt tools kit but I wouldn't trust this at all even though lots of people use it. It doesn't seem like it would give a reliable reading, it's more of a guess kind of like doing the 90 degree turn method.

Theres a new arnnworx tensioning tool that is suppose to be better than the Porsche tensioning tool because you leave it on and it reads the tension as you tension the belt (has a gauge). It's also only 90 bucks doesn't sound bad.


Paint job will cost a lot of money if you want a good paint job otherwise it will fall apart etc, cheap paint jobs chip and don't look good close up or at least for very long.

I'm guessing a good paint job will be 3000+ and it won't be like a factory original paint job.
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78 924 sold.
85.5 944