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Eturbo924
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: Adjusting fuel mixture... question |
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Ok I read some where here that you turn the fuel mixture screw all the way in and then back it out 2.5 turns as a base starting point.
So... which way is all the way in?
Clockwise all the way until it stops... or counter clockwise until it stops?
Then opposite out 2.5 inches
I understand that clockwise makes it richer.. counter lean.
Just need to know which way is "all the way in. I turned and turned clockwise but never seemed to stop. So backed it back out...
Now I am sure I screwed it all up. Ha
Need to spend more time.
Help......
Eric
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Clockwise all the way, then back out 2.5 turns sounds about right for the idle speed setting starting point.
For the A:F mix, try this -
Begin with the A:F setting too lean (turned counterclockwise), then:
With engine off, jumper the fuel pump relay to activate the fuel pumps, then while listening closely to the fuel distributor, turn the a:f adjustment clockwise (without applying any downward pressure that'd affect the neutral position of the air metering plate), just until you hear fuel starting to rush through the fuel dist. Then reverse the adjuster 1/2 turn (counterclockwise).
Having the injectors pulled and each sitting in a seperate container will allow you to do this without diluting your oil with fuel. -Otherwise, turn the adjuster back the 1/2 turn quickly so the injectors only spray very briefly.. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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Eturbo924
Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 2212 Location: Londonderry NH
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so...
With the fuel pumps running as long as I do not lift the fuel plate the injectors do not fire?
So if the setting to to rich the injectors will shoot with the pumps running, but if set properly they will not?
If so cool. I will pull all the injectors and put them in clear bottles. I can inspect the fuel pattern then as well.
Weird thing is that the car was running but then I shut it off and began turning the screw clockwise. I turned it at least 5 turns and it was still going. Does this seem right? _________________ 1982 924
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Smoothie

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | With the fuel pumps running as long as I do not lift the fuel plate the injectors do not fire? |
Yes, if the a:f mix is set either correctly or too far to the lean side, the injectors won't spray with the metering plate in the neutral position.
| Quote: | So if the setting [is] to rich the injectors will shoot with the pumps running, but if set properly they will not?
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Correct.
I have no idea what the total number of turns is until the adjuster either bottoms out or falls out in either direction. It shouldn't be requiring full turns. I would guesstimate the correct setting should be no more than 1/2 turn clockwise or counterclockwise from the starting point as determined via the procedure given previously. The adjustment is very "touchy" and you should be moving it in tiny increments once the starting point is determined. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoothie wrote: | | I have no idea what the total number of turns is until the adjuster either bottoms out or falls out in either direction. |
It's massive: at least a dozen turns end to end. And yet an eighth of a turn will take to from way too rich to way too lean.  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
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Tiny

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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+1 to the Mikester
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Eturbo924
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so a dozen turns end to end but I am to turn it all the way to one side (clockwise) and then back it out 2.5 turns? I know it is no where near that now.
Seems like it will burn it self up.
Ah the fun of it all.
I like the... "heck it is a bad piece... take it out and replace it" kind of work so much better Hahahaha
Well I guess I will just remove all the injectors from the head, put them in bottles and then start turning the screw until they either shut off... or turn on... depending on what they are doing now.
Then it should be in the right ball park. _________________ 1982 924
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Smoothie

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Eturbo924 wrote: | | Ok so a dozen turns end to end but I am to turn it all the way to one side (clockwise) and then back it out 2.5 turns? I know it is no where near that now.. |
Once again, no. That's the starting point for the idle speed (aka- "air bypass") starting point (the flat blade screwdriver adjustment that's built into your throttle body).
For the a:f mix (that's done with a 3mm allen wrench between the air metering plate and fuel distributor), forget about the 2.5 turns, start with it set too lean and follow the above procedure.. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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Eturbo924
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Aha!
Light dawns over marble head!
Got it. See was not getting the whole turn the allen screw and not the screw in the throttle body.
BINGO!
Ok so will lean it out and then turn it until the injectors fire away. Thanks _________________ 1982 924
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Eturbo924
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Dang this car is going to drive me to drink!
Ok another couple of questions.
I adjusted the alen screw at the fuel disty until it was to lean. Then slowly started turning it clockwise to get the injectors to fire. When I turn on the fuel pump there is an initial surge and a blast from the injectors but then no flow. Is this where I stop... if I keep going maybe another 1/4 turn the injectors start to drip. Then if I go another 1/4 to 1/2 they start to gently spray.
Am I looking for the actual spraying or the dripping or the first blast?
Of course I am sure I contaminated the oil. I only pulled the first and 2nd injectors. Then when I started it the car was smoking nicely. Can I assume this is from the fuel making the oil to thin?
Man this is a pain!
At least the cat is no longer glowing. Seems the fuel mixture was just way to rich before. _________________ 1982 924
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Mike924

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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You're looking for the injectors just starting to spray.
When they open they should do so cleanly and not drip. The fact that you are seeing drips is a sign that your injectors are clogged/knackered. Something to worry about at a future date - it shouldn't cause any extra problems for setting the mixture.
Don't worry about the smoke at this stage either. Once you get it running and the smoke persists, then you can worry.
The injectors can spary quite a bit of fuel in just a few seconds when they get going. You really don't want all this sloshing around the cyclinders if it's not being burnt. I'd pull the remaining two injectors for the spray onset test. _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
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Eturbo924
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah that is what I figured to do. Pull the other two. Actually have had three of them out already.
Ok so has to be spraying continuous. Not just the initial burst. _________________ 1982 924
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Mike924

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Eturbo924 wrote: | | Ok so has to be spraying continuous. Not just the initial burst. |
Check! _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
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