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5 Lug conversion - is it worth it?

 
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nrwilliams  



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: 5 Lug conversion - is it worth it? Reply with quote

Hello all,

I would like opinions as I have been reading about the subject and am wondering if its worth the time and effort.

I have a 924 2.0 with 4 lug wheels, non vented disks on front and drums on back.

Is the upgrade to 5 lugs and disks all round a huge impovement in braking? I have a 944 with all the bits on and to be honest when the car was on the road I never found the brakes all that great (they were not in the best condition I will admit).

I had planned to convert my 924 with the parts from the 944 but am wondering if it is worth the effort?

The 924 is purely a track car, not racing and not used much on the road so it basically gets wheeled out to tracks once a month for a thrash.

Really appreciate peoples opinions.

Thanks

Neil
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well worthwhile for a track car. Much better braking power and less over heating.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.

As an addition just been reading about changing the single pot calipers to twin pot from a 911 SC. Anyone done this?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrwilliams wrote:
As an addition just been reading about changing the single pot calipers to twin pot from a 911 SC. Anyone done this?


It's been a while, so I might be mixing things up, but I believe the 911 SC calipers have a different bolt pattern that is halfway between the 924/44 floating caliper arrangement and the larger 951 fixed (Brembo) caliper arrangement. So I don't believe it is a direct bolt-on. From what I recall, the D-Prod spindles were setup to take these calipers, and the bolt holes are right in between the 924/44 and 951 setups.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havent had braking power(can lock up the wheels) or heat problems(even after an hour at the track) with my brakes on the n/a on the track, and ive done lots of it with that car. Wear has also been very low. The brake pedal feel is though better on my 931. If you have problems with the brakes on the n/a your system needs a checkup. The only real advantage is that you get rid of the problem with the adjusment on the rear brakes which you do need to do often if you do a lot of track. And maybe for the bling-factor
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideola, you are correct. The rear 4 pot fit with 1/8" spacers between the calipers and the bracket but the fronts do not. I have 4 pot Jaguar XJ6 calipers on the front of mine.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early 911 calipers fit the five lug spindle, and the rotor is the same as early 944. I pondered this swap myself, and snagged some of the calipers. I ended up going a different route, as the pads were alarmingly small.

Discussed on Pelican.

In answer to your original query, there is no contest between solid front rotor/rear drum and vented disc/vented disc. I did my first track day with the early setup, and blew the material off the fronts in half a day. Also, the constant adjustment needed to make the rears effective when driven hard is not worth the effort, IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea throw in some steel brakes line & a proportioning valve
to adjust front to rear braking and youll notice.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove 3 seasons of track driving on a set of hawk hp-plus, we were two drivers on the same car so it got a lot of beating. On an n/a it justn isnt worth it.. With 170hp and more weigth like a 931 its a nother question..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may come down to driving style, but all of the ITB racers I know in 924s have converted to 5-lug.

The other factor, in my opinion, is that it opens up a whole new realm of available wheels. Given the paucity of decent 4x108 rims, this is not merely a bling factor. And also, considering the talk about 14" performance tires becoming harder to source (at least here in the US), that's another benefit of changing wheels.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a race car I would consider it because of the rear adjustment. I´ve been driving at the outer edge performance wise on r-comp tyres, so maximum possible pain for the brakes. But as i said, on a race car it would be worth it to get rid of the constant adjustment...Or if you have a terrible braking technique

4x108 must be really hard over there, easier here since its more commonly used ..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cédric wrote:
4x108 must be really hard over there

You can find a limited selection of 4x108, but they rarely have the right offset.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt worth it.. hmm Im up I know wheres a stash of'em.
They dont cost that much. Why would you say it isnt worth it.
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