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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Solid investments for the future Reply with quote

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A 1987 base price of $19,900 including air conditioning, power windows and mirrors put the 924S right in the ballpark with the above referenced cars from Japan. Some aluminum suspension parts from the 944 were cast out of steel for the 924S to keep costs down, but due to its slightly lighter weight overall, a 924S would outperform a 944 (non-turbo) by a slim margin. Aluminum “telephone-dial” fifteen-inch wheels were standard on 195/65-15 tires, and interiors were upgraded to exude a less Spartan appearance than earlier 924s. The Porsche five-speed manual transmission mounted in the rear axle assembly that first appeared in 1980 was retained, and a three-speed automatic was optional.

While some collectors often seek earlier 924 Turbos and Carrera GTs (see Part 2 article), the 924S represents the best-developed and most modern of all 924s. Performance was the best, and superior driveability make them the easiest to live with on a real-world basis. Production of the 924S model ended at the end of 1988 world-wide, but its sister 944 lived on through 1991 – ultimately becoming the “968” of 1992-95. Porsche returned strictly to models with engines mounted behind the driver in 1996, with exception of the Cayenne sport-utility of 2004 and upcoming Panamera four-door sedan.

Because they are the only front-engine, four-cylinders Porsche has produced, they will undoubtedly increase in value and be solid investments for the future.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome, time to buy a few more!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great....parts cars just went from $200 to $600.....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect timing as I am about to dump a wheelbarrow full of money into mine.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Solid investments for the future Reply with quote

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While some collectors often seek earlier 924 Turbos and Carrera GTs (see Part 2 article), the 924S represents the best-developed and most modern of all 924s. Performance was the best, and superior driveability make them the easiest to live with on a real-world basis.

I don't understand the second half of this statement. Aside from the SE, the 924S has essentially the same running gear as the S2 Turbo, and the S2 Turbo had equal power in US form and more in Euro-spec form.

Interesting article nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: the 924 Turbo, this quote is interesting, given the author was presumably review a NEW example:
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“Once you get used to the 5-speed pattern, the gearbox and shifting feel about the same as a normal 924. Even in the standard driveline there’s a fair amount of intertia, and with a larger diameter clutch and driveshaft and heftier gears, there’s more in the 924 Turbo. As a result you can’t execute the lightning-quick gear changes possible with cars having the gearbox directly coupled to the engine; rather a smooth, precise, unhurried motion should be adopted to prevent mild gear clash.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: Solid investments for the future Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
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While some collectors often seek earlier 924 Turbos and Carrera GTs (see Part 2 article), the 924S represents the best-developed and most modern of all 924s. Performance was the best, and superior driveability make them the easiest to live with on a real-world basis.

I don't understand the second half of this statement. Aside from the SE, the 924S has essentially the same running gear as the S2 Turbo, and the S2 Turbo had equal power in US form and more in Euro-spec form.

Interesting article nonetheless.


"There's no replacement for displacement."

superior driveability make them (924Ss) the easiest to live with on a real-world basis
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree that they have superior driveability.

and there is a replacement for displacement. it's called BOOST
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To each his own....

Having driven hundreds of thousands of miles in 924s, 931s, and 924Ss (including new ones) over 33 years, my opinion is the 924S has superior driveability. Turbos are more fun, but annoying at the same time.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have much less seat time in the "S", but I find it bland in comparison. I can get my head around the concept of the "S" being more refined, but I'm really interested in what you mean by superior driveability, can you expand on that?

To me driveability is the handling of the car, the gearing with respect to the power band (I hate the tall 5th gear in the Audi box compared to the G31), the feeling you get when driving the car in terms of both feedback and responsiveness. In all of those categories (except handling, which is essentially identical), I find the 931 to have much more character. To put it another way, when I think about the way I feel emotionally about driving the cars, if I had to choose, I would almost always pick the 931. To me, that's superior driveability.

So I genuinely want to know: what is it that you like so much about the "S", and how do you quantify superior driveability?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I share many of your views, but for every day driving, I prefer an S. If I were headed to the twistys, I'd take a 931, but to the track I'd take an S.

The S doesn't have a tall 5th gear and I greatly prefer it's tranny to a G31.

Spike's G31 had a very tall 5th gear.

Power steering is nice too.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe tall is not what I mean. The G31 has a final gearing of 0.600. The Audi-based gearbox in the 80-onward NA, S2 931, and 924S, all have a final gearing of 0.730, and the later 944s even higher at 0.829. I always heard the 944 described as having a taller fifth than the 924S, so I assumed by looking at these numbers that the Audi was taller than the G31.

In any event, what I dislike about the Audi box is the difference in rev range between 4th and 5th. You have to be going 60+ on the Audi box for it to not feel like it's lugging...below 60, and your down below 2K RPM. Except for highway cruising at 75MPH, this is a major annoyance because you're either winding out 4th or lugging in 5th. For me, the G31 setup is much more comfortable and natural feeling (and sounding). It always throws me for a loop the first time I jump in the S2, because I up-shift to 5th and the car starts to lug. Annoys the crap outta me!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said Spike's G31 has a much taller 5th gear than a 924S. 5th is very responsive on a 924S, in fact 70 mph is around 3000 rpms.
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