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Scorpio

Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 1957 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Adding Pearl/metal flake to my paint |
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I have the following basecoat
Shanghai red (a metalic version very close to my original 924 colour
Im in talks with a few pearl additive companies to see what i can use as an intercoat( add pearl or flake to clear after basecoat to give depth) followed by clearcoat
to give me something similar to lexus Matador red to my shanghai red
some options
http://www.paintwithpearl.com/candystore.htm
also red shimmer ghost pearl may work
http://www.paintwithpearl.com/pearlstore.htm
Matador red
how i want it to look on my 924 with my custom vents
Thinking out loud _________________ 1979 NA
MS1..EFI..
GARRETT T25 TURBO
BILSTEIN SHOCKS
GT BASED CUSTOM BODYKIT
Brisbane , Australia
Think mean think fast
all youll see is
my Porsches Arse!!! |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: |
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The site a pretty good one for content Scorp..
For me I want a Orange ( most likely, I amstill debatinga a dark metalic
steel color that ford has.)
From the site I see I could do a blue ghost or reguliar blue pearl
over the top of orange. Again I want an orange & dont know if i
should go with a pearl or not.
Lets see some pics scorp or at least send me some more on
the progress. I want to see. I got the last ones and like the inlets youve made in the fenders. I want 2 see more. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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Scorpio

Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 1957 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: |
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the site owner thinks the matador red may have an orange ghost pearl in it so may do a test panel with that. Ill be spraying panel by panel so really hope the pearl works that way and doesnt look wayyyy off
Joe if youre gonna go orange i like the orange they have on their website. I love deeeeeeep colours. Im certainly not going for the original classic look. Paints come along way
http://www.paintwithpearl.com/
| Quote: | | A custom painted go-cart painted by GBS Customs using our Orange Copper Candy over orange paint, followed by a Gold Ghost Pearl, then clear coated with a topcoat clear automotive paint. |
_________________ 1979 NA
MS1..EFI..
GARRETT T25 TURBO
BILSTEIN SHOCKS
GT BASED CUSTOM BODYKIT
Brisbane , Australia
Think mean think fast
all youll see is
my Porsches Arse!!! |
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BionicBalls

Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 642 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Do not spray panel by panel. pearls never look the same that way. I've seen panels sprayed with paint from the same gun and turn out differently. Pearls are really wierd the way they lay down. Your car will look like a patch job if you spray it panel by panel. _________________ 1980 924 NA
1982 931 |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Matador red looks really awesome, looks like
they sprayed a candy over the pearl.
I like it. Almost like a candy apple red.  _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo.
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Scorpio

Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 1957 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| BionicBalls wrote: | | Do not spray panel by panel. pearls never look the same that way. I've seen panels sprayed with paint from the same gun and turn out differently. Pearls are really wierd the way they lay down. Your car will look like a patch job if you spray it panel by panel. |
ive never actually seen the difference but have heard it doesnt work so well....but i will be going panel by panel ..only way in my garage...wander if metal flake will have as big a problem panel by panel????? _________________ 1979 NA
MS1..EFI..
GARRETT T25 TURBO
BILSTEIN SHOCKS
GT BASED CUSTOM BODYKIT
Brisbane , Australia
Think mean think fast
all youll see is
my Porsches Arse!!! |
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zimm

Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 62 Location: Hereford, UK.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpio wrote: | | BionicBalls wrote: | | Do not spray panel by panel. pearls never look the same that way. I've seen panels sprayed with paint from the same gun and turn out differently. Pearls are really wierd the way they lay down. Your car will look like a patch job if you spray it panel by panel. |
ive never actually seen the difference but have heard it doesnt work so well....but i will be going panel by panel ..only way in my garage...wander if metal flake will have as big a problem panel by panel????? |
the panels just wont catch the light the same, it'll look like a patchwork car.
been there, done that.. wished i'd done it properly, painted it matt black
the problem is that the particles in the paint that create the effect will settle into different orientations, this is dependant on gun setup, humidity, temperature, coat thickness and which way up the panels are hung.. you also cant flat it as that exposes the ends of the particles..
if you absolutely HAVE to do it piece by piece, do it all on the same day, with the same mix of paint with all the panels hung as if on the car and sprayed as such (if you were running across the bonnet/hood, run up/down the wings/fenders .. etc .. )
it'll still look shit.
seriously, do it properly or stick to a flat colour thats easy to blend/cut
i've some pictures somewhere of a met green renault 5 i painted bit by bit that demonstrate the problem perfectly _________________ 6 bikes, 9 cars, 1 van.... the more you have the less they work. |
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BionicBalls

Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 642 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Metal flake would be a much better choice if you have to paint it panel by panel. If you ever have to do a repair you will be happy you went with metal flake. Just don't go overboard with the flake, IMO nothing looks worse than an overly sparkling car. _________________ 1980 924 NA
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Man i got to start checkin my typing..sorry bout that..
Seems to me Scorp a big gun with a big spray pattern
and be careful 2 setting the amount of pearl coming out
you should be able to get it uniform enough. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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Scorpio

Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 1957 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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interesting insights boys.....perhaps a metal candy re flake....i The flake ill be going for will be very small and a red or orange tone..I dont like flake jobs where the flake is a different colour from the base and large flake should be kept for sideshow rides...but small flake will give that glimmer as you drive by that makes people look twice without actually seeing big chunks of flake.
the reason i want panel by panel is i can be alot more careful doing it that way, its also easier on the compressor, my space is limited, and prevents spray fatigue leading to a better job...hopefuly
perhaps panel by panel base coat.....place panels lightly back on car for a couple of medium dry coats of clear with flake ....remove panles and finish panel by panel in clear then finesse? _________________ 1979 NA
MS1..EFI..
GARRETT T25 TURBO
BILSTEIN SHOCKS
GT BASED CUSTOM BODYKIT
Brisbane , Australia
Think mean think fast
all youll see is
my Porsches Arse!!! |
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924aussie

Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Chinchilla Queensland Australia
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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There is a paint booth available about 10ks from you at Rocklea,. just take it down there on a trailer paint it while it is still on the trailer and take it home. I found a blow up Paint booth about a month ago in Melbourne but I can find the site again. Think about a big jumping castle that the kids play in.
Alan _________________ green 924 .. 1980 rego 924PSH
1998 Mopar Neon ... sick
2003 Challenger / Montery 4WD
1995 Hyundai Scoupe ... sold
1998 Nissan Silvia ... sons back from OS he has taken it
BIG BLOODY MOTORHOME 300zx Sold
1980 Fire truck Sold |
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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A detail to remember when painting metal flake (and it may also apply to pearls) - It won't go down evenly if sprayed too close (too close as in a proper spraying distance for a solid color). You'll wind up with what looks like rows. So, to eliminate the rows, and get it blended right, back off way further than you'd normally think is correct - something like 1.5 to 2 feet (.5 to .7 meters). -But do some reading to verify that distance. I'm going by memory of how I did it 4 years ago.. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
'82 924T, US version, dark green metallic, 5 speed Audi 016G gearbox |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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White pearl sprayed in clear... nice huh.
 _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
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v8carreragts

Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the flake and pearls need to be sprayed farther away from the car. You need to be very careful with pearl so it goes on evenly. And you really need to do some test panels first. You can put too much pearl on easily and it kills the effect. You can put it on very light to get a ghost effect. I did this on the 1964 GTO I had. I painted it black and used a very light dust coat of blue pearl. The car looked black but under the sun or lights at night you saw the pearl effect on all of the peaks of the bodywork.
I've been thinking of using pearl on mine....but I need to decide on the base color first. |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Scorp & otheres guess what, My friend with the squirrel problem
and the girl I live with have made me change the colr of the early 931
turbo gt project. It started monday night with her saying you know
if its gonna be parked in my drive it needs to be a bright shiny silver
like a bullet. Today I was showin pictures to my buddy with the squirrels
after work. I told him my plasn and her idea & he goes ya know Joe,
everybody would really think of it as a nice lookin car if it was silver.
So that settles it and ive been lookin and the beamers and audis and others look nice in gold or silver..
The only thing to do is pic the shade Im leanin towards a darker shade
almost what it came with
....... wwas dolmite grey I believe though there both tellin me nooo
go with a shiny silver. What ever the shade I suppose I could add pearl to the clear.............
Im taking all the body panels down to his house to spray by panel.
What Ill do is just set them next to each other .. maybe spray the finasl clear on here with the panels in place. Now to find the right shade...
Scorp I now give you your thoroughly jacked thread back to you..
and give me some pics. please. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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