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morghen · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania

Hello again..its me with my stupid ideeas again

Thing is that in my country you cannot legaly regsiter a car that dosent have the euro4 thing and its older than 3-4 years(so i cannot register the 944 S2 that i will buy).....

...i am satisfied by my 924...it runs ok..but i want more power and more control...so i plan on buying a 944 S2 i've seen on the street...(poor car started to rust

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Mount the engine with transmision and gearbox from the 944 S2 on to my 924
Also mount the whole interior...all electrics..suspension...brakes..actualy the only thing that will remain 924 will be the body...not all

i'll buy a 944 glass fiber front and rear pannels and a nice late 951 front spoiler

the result will be the same car(to the law) but way...way faster

My question is....is it possible ? i mean dose the 944 S2 have some other mounting positions on the body ? i'm afraid to get to a point where i cant mount the 944 S2 parts on the 924 body

If i manage to do this...well...i'm gonna have a realy fast porsche....btw today i've seen a 911 GT2 hourling on the street....i'm still in shock !!
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My924gtc · Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1362 Location: 248

It can be done and that is the best way to do it. Getting another whole car makes it into a relatively simple swap over. You can easily see what has to go where.

Lots of work regardless but will yeild a nice little car.
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Lizard · Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 12:31 pm Post subject:

the main issue I see with this is wiring as you will have to tap into the wiring and make sure that all the proper wires are powered or switched
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AznDrgn · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:58 am Post subject:

Don't know about the '83 but the rest of the 924NA's won't have the proper holes drilled in the front cross member for the S2 cross member to mount on. Also the S2 motor mounts to the cross member as opposed to the frame rails. As mentioned before wiring is going to be a nightmare the dash mounts differently so that is going to cause problems if you wanted to use that. If you do end up doing it take lots of pictures and document them for us. Here's the link to a guy who did a 968 motor into a late 944 NA, should give you some ideas at what you are looking at but you'll have to make adjustments as yours will surely be different. http://www.944s3.com/944S3/
There is also a guy, ErnestEdward, on Rennlist that has an early 944 with an S2 motor in it.
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ic932 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK

I would tend to approach the electrics in terms of a complete swap out rather than modifying the 924 loom.

As mentioned above the alloy crossmember is the only thing preventing a "bolt on" upgrade.

You would have to retain your 924 wishbones because of wheel offset issues but can still use knuckles,hubs and brembos off the S2.You'll have to use the legs with much shorter springs but retaining 924 top mounts.

At the back everything is a direct bolt in but the increased track from the trailing arms limit wheel width to 6" et 53 or 7" et 70?I ended up using 924S arms allowing me to use 9" et 70 rims.

Sounds like you've got the chance to build one hell of a 924 i'd say go for it.

morghen · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania

yea....i must talk to the guy who owns the 944S2 and buy it from him first....i dont plan to modify the electrics or mix them...just take the 944s2 off and mount it on the 924...however i didnt quite understand what the front mounting parts problem might be....i guess if i can give it a go...i'll find it out myself

i plan to strip the 924 to the bone

but first i have to buy a 944 S2 i think that in a few weeks i can do the swap....and counting that the 944 S2 weights almost 1400 KG and makes the 0-100 in 6 seconds....the car i plan to build would weight less...only thing stoping me now is some money and a guy willing to give up his crashed 944 S2

thx for the replys....i realy hope i can do this...and if i do..i will post pictures.
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Raceboy · Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2327 Location: Estonia, Europe

Here's some projects of my friends little company: http://carmus.ee/projekt.htm

There's S2 motor into '83 944 and 968 motor, tranny and brakes into '87 944S.
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moone924 · Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 869 Location: Douglas Wyoming

I don't know how things are wherever you are law wise, as it's highly illegal in the USA. Not that I say it's good to do, but couldn't you just cut out/re-weld drill/rivet most of the VIN plates from your 924 to the 944 ?
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Llamaguy · Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 711 Location: Indiana

in most states, the motor has to be same year or newer, and have all the smog stuff that the new motor originally came with, I think Cali probably makes you meet the current emission standards.
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Peter_in_AU · Joined: 29 Jul 2001 Posts: 2745 Location: Sydney, Australia

I presume that you are from Arad, Romania and therefore dance to a different set of emissions standards. You should update your profile location so people don't think you're from Arad, West Virginia

The whole idea sounds great.

The later 944s have a naturally wider track (no wheel spacers) but as you're using 944 panels that won't be a problem.

Take lots of photos.
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ic932 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK

Sorry mate,I must of skimmed over the bit about using 944 body panels.Please ignore all that offset crap I thought you were retaining the 924 lines.

ic932 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK

Sorry mate,I must of skimmed over the bit about using 944 body panels.Please ignore all that offset crap I thought you were retaining the 924 lines.

morghen · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania

yea...i'm form Arad Romania the most westic town...thing is...this dream is on the edge to turn into a nightmare as the only crappy 944 S2 in the country(i only traced one) is probably not for sale...the guy owning it might not be selling it(i left him a note but no answer)

There are several 944 S2 for sale but i dont have the financial power to buy any of them...and if i did what would be the project's purpose...(these cars are aldeady regsitred)

However replacing the plates is ilegal here too...guys at RAR are not easy to fool...and that option fails...Geting a 944 also fails because they are very expensive(at least for me). Emision and modification aproval are not a problem if you dont tuch the resistance parts of the car(ex:make it a cabrio)

I am slowly turning away form that dream each day that pases...and thinking of another way to get power out of my NA.

A friend of mines wants to buy a VW Corrado...some engines have G60 superchargers....so guess what....i could affort to buy one of those superchargers and mount it on my 924...i thing this might work just fine since the engine the G60 was designed for is an 8V 1.8 L.

In any case...i started the project by buying a beautifull set of rims ordering 944 front pannels(i'll build custom rear ones as i dont like the 944 ones)..removing some useless parts like rear seats and making some lighweight parts...i'll post some pictures..replacing timing belt...plug sparks...and other small stuff. I plan to buy a 951 front spoiler and 944 brake system.
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Raceboy · Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2327 Location: Estonia, Europe

VW G-Läder is a very poor choice for supercharging your or any car, since their longetivity is even a lot worse than 924 K26 turbo's.
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morghen · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania

what do you mean ? i never heard of this issue of the g60...however what do you think then....i need a bit more power from my 924.. at least 160-180 bhp..using some high compression pistons and an stage 2 camshaft would give me abt 150 hp...right ? i might just do that...i need to rebuild soon...engine is eating oil.
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