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Bad negative camber problem.

 
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augidog  



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Bad negative camber problem. Reply with quote

I can not get my front camber to come out. It is sitting in about 3 degrees negative on both sides. I have replaced a lot of items on both sides. New shocks, rubber,tie rods , ball joints,steering rack, you name it. I think it is down to the tires.
The problem is the PO put on a set of 15" on that rub terribly and need spacers. My new rotor dug right into them and this is how I found the lack of spacer problem . They rub on deep parking. I hate the 15's on the car do not want not throw money into spacers because the rubber is beat.

The question is: could these wrong (needing spacer) tires cause an extreme negative camber that can not be adjusted in. I have a used set of Sebring rims I plan to put on but I want to be sure before this happens again and I ruin some new rubber.
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Paul  



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tires cannot change camber while stationary.

Camber changes tires. (causes uneven wear).

How are you trying to adjust camber?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The top ecentric washer/bolt is at its max.
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MALUKIA3  



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way. The rims alone won't cause the camber problem. The PO must have had something adjusted to try to solve the rubbing.

Have you had it checked by a shop or are you trying to eyeball it before getting it set to the right specs?

Good luck,

Don
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Paul  



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is everything but the wheels stock?

Is nothing damaged or bent?

Are your A arm bushings in good shape?

Have you checked your castor? If it's way off, it may cause camber issues.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also - how are the springs? Weakened, saggy springs would cause camber to go more negative. Look for the A-arms to be about parallel[*] to the floor. If they're not, and they tilt up toward the outsides, the springs could be weak (or may have been shortened).

[*- Actually, looking at mine, they tilt up some at the outer ends and I don't have a camber problem.. Measuring from ground to bottom of A-arm at the inboard end, then ground to bottom of A-arm with the ruler held vertically against the tire (≈10" out from the inboard measurement), I get a 1" difference between the two, so they tilt up with a rise of 1" over 10" distance. If yours are much different, you may have a spring or shock problem, or problem with something else that affects the front ride height.]
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gohim  



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incorrect/worn strut cartridges, bent strut housings, bad/collapsed upper strut bushings and/or bearings, or worn/bent upper spring perches. Damaged/bent inner fenders, bent steering knuckles.

Almost every part connected to the wheels or between the wheels and the chassis, the chassis itself, or the wheels could be the cause of your camber problem, or contribute to it.

When you had the parts replaced, did you use Geniune Parts, or parts from the Porsche OE manufacturers, or did you cheap out and use generic parts. While many generic parts are okay, moan are not dimensionally identical to the original parts, and a build up of tolerances can cause problems.

Your choices are: a complete set of new Genuine or OE parts on the car, and recheck it, OR get the car to a competent Frame Shop to get them to evaluate the problem. I am 100% that they will find defective parts OR a bent chassis are the cause of your alignment problem.
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