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[924er]

hey everyone, i encountered a big problem thats why i have been off this forum for a while. here is goes:

like 3 weeks ago i was driving on the freeway, traffic speed was about 80mph and i was going about the same speed. out of no where my sun roof just flew off and hit a chevy suburban car about two cars down and hit the windshield and it was a guy and his wife. the guy hit the brakes and a car behind him hit him but not too bad and then he swerved into the shoulder lane hititng the divider. i know this is a wierd thing that happened but it happend. i bought my car with the two front latches missing but i never had a problem. the lady in the suburban has a nasty cut on her face, her husband is fine, the car that hit him the passenger in the back broke his noes. so the suburban may be pressing charges on me saying i intentionaly pushed it off, and $2,000 worth of damage. but the good news i found the sunroof later that day
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80' Porsche 924 NA - Slower then a S L O W
86' Porsche 951- New toy

[Ozzie]

Let your insurance handle it and don't worry.
I wouldn't say too much about the front latches missing but get em replaced. They could find you negligent by not having them replaced before the accident.
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Porsche 924 1984 (UK import) NA
Its AUTO and its BLACK
Montego Black on black/red
Engineer of Electro/Mechanical Systems Maintenance

[Peter_in_AU]

Must be the first time a 924 has won a round with one of those ugly evil things. Hopefully the price of gas will stay high long enough for them all to be turned into the landfill they are.

As Ozzie says, let the insurance handle it. Don't even say sorry.

Good to hear you got your sunroof back.
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1974 Lotus 7 S4 "Big Valve" Twin-cam (waiting)
1982 924 (As featured on Wikipedia)

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[N-Dub]

Get some latches on before an inspection so it just looks like a freak accident.
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'87 951

[Stu2j]

This is not that unusual as stuff flies off of cars and trucks all the time. I once saw a truck lose its spare tire from beneath on the interstate and cause a hell of a mess.

The more interesting aspect of this is the criminal complaint (that you did this deliberately). That's a rather bizarre assertion but if an investigator shows up to question you with regard to this complaint, do not waive the right to remain silient. As suggested before, don't say anything.

Sorry to hear about this, I know you didn't intend for it to happen and it's always a bummer to be responsible for someone else's injury.
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-Stu
924 owner since 1988
924S owner since 2002
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[Llamaguy]

he may be responsable for their injury, but not their stupidity. Some people just don't know when to except an accident.

or they're greedy. one of the two.
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1997 Suzuki Tl1000 Supersport

[gohim]

Real smart. You just admitted in a public forum that you are guilty of negligence. You knowingly drove your car while it was in an unsafe condition. As a result, property damage was done, and someone got hurt.

I can see what a civil attorney, and the City, County, or State's Criminal Attorney would say. What happened was not an unavoidable incident. You knew your car was defective, and unsafe. Instead, you continued to drive the car and took no action to avoid the dangerous situation. That makes you guilty of knowingly operating an unsafe vehicle on a public road, making you negligent, and responsible for the results.

Now you have voided any limitations on monetary damages imposed in no-fault states, and opened yourself up to unlimited damages in the at-fault states like CA.

I suggest that you shut your mouth. Don't write anything else in this forum. Any halfway decent attorney is going to be surfing the Internet looking for additional examples of 924 sunroofs coming off cars, and they will find this thread. When they do, your admitted guilt in this regretable incident is going to seal your fate.

Do not speak to anybody over the phone about this incident. If someone claims to be from your Insurance Company, or the Police, get their name, title, phone number, and address. If anybody else contacts you, refer the to your attorney. Contact your attorney, advise them of the contact with the other party/parties, and visit the person/s in person, and only with the attendence and/or approval of your attorney.

The Fifth Amendment ONLY APPLIES TO CRIMINAL CASES. If you are dumb enough to incriminate yourself, the information can be used in a civil case, virtually without limitation. CLOSE YOUR MOUTH ! ! !

If you don't already have a good attorney who can do the criminal side, as well as civil, I suggest you start looking for one now.

If you have insurance, you might look to getting your insurer to settle with the people that you hurt before this gets real bad. Confer with your attorney about what you should tell the insurance company to entice them to try to settle early. DO NOT TELL YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY ANYTHING WITHOUT CONFERRING WITH YOUR ATTORNEY/ATTORNIES. Your Insurance Company IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

If you are under 18 years old, your parent/s are going to get dragged into this as well (because you are still their legal responsibility), and they are going to lose thousands of dollars trying to protect their assets as well.

You're guilty, you know it, you're caught, and trying to justify it here isn't going to help you.

I don't think that people who get hurt are always greedy or gold diggers. If they are seeking fair compensation for their damages and injuries, they deserve to be made whole again (placed back in the same health and financial situation they were in before the accident that you caused). At least no one got killed.

And now you have involved the operators of this message board, and the members. Don't ask the Mods to cover up your guilt by removing this thread. That could get them involved in a lawsuit as members of a coverup. Don't answer this thread. Let it die...

Take your lumps, learn from your mistake, and drive on...

[924er]

well gohim, i'm not that stupid. i dont see me name anwhere on this forum, and attorneys have better things to do then search the internet for a flying sunroof.

and i did not know my car was in an unsafe condition, ive been driving my car like this for almost a year and had no problems at all. i guess accidents happened, like someone saying a spare tire flying off a truck, so accidents do happen.

my insurance company will cover the injuries. but the people are trying to sue me saying that intentionally did it. i know this is off topic but remember the movie fast n' furiuos when paul walker popped the top off the supra while they where going like 100. well that guy was probably thinking that

but nah, i didnt intentionally do it, i was actaully changing a cd when it happened.
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80' Porsche 924 NA - Slower then a S L O W
86' Porsche 951- New toy

[Chrenan]

For a few bucks you could have replaced your front sunroof latches with a good used set and this wouldn't have happened. For a few more bucks you could have bought new latches. Consider yourself lucky it wasn't a motorcycle behind you or you could have killed someone.

[D Hook]

[Lizard]

you have given more than enough info for them to be able to make a legal joinder to you, I would recommend that you edit your old posts and remove all incriminating evidence ASAP
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[Stu2j]

>>>"ive been driving my car like this for almost a year and had no problems at all."

>>>That means you've known about this problem and did nothing to correct it. It was once explained to me that criminal negligence is just that; knowing a dangerous situation exist but doing nothing to correct it.

Ahhh.. but did he know it was a "dangerous" situation? His statement actually suggests he did not know that this was likely to happen.

If your brakes are soft, does this mean that you know they will completely fail and that such failure will cause harm to others? Hmmm

I think the criminal side is without any real merit (it can't be shown that he intended to have it happen) and the insurance company will simply settle this... just a question of how much and like I said, flying debri is not unusual. There was a time when they couldn't keep the t-tops on the vets.

Interesting stuff.....
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-Stu
924 owner since 1988
924S owner since 2002
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[gohim]

It is a long standing rule that "ignorance is no defense". If that was true, no murderers or robbers would or could be convicted.

Without the latches, what did you think was going to hold the roof on the car?

Negligence (from a Webster's Dictionary) "... failure to do, or care for: disregard ...".

He admitted that he knew the car was like that when he bought it. He failed to take action to correct the condition in over a year. He admitted that he drove the car that way for over a year.

Case Closed.

The only question is how much will the injured parties be awarded, and what will the actual damage to the driver and his parents be.

He lives here in CA, the land of the ridiculous lawsuit. This case is not ridiculous, he has no chance of avoiding a judgement at all. I hope he was carrying lots of Insurance. The state legal minimums don't cover anything at all. In fact, I hope he had Insurance, he and his parents are going to have to make up the difference between the settlement or judgement and the insurance limits. Without insurance, he and his family are going to have to pay it all.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE ABOUT WHETHER YOU HAD INSURANCE OR NOT. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CARRY A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF INSURANCE IN CA. WRITING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE COVERAGE, OR STATING YOUR COVERAGE MAXIMUM ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD COULD BE DANGEROUS TO YOUR LEGAL STANDING. Follow my advice. Consult with a criminal and a civil/personal injury attorney to decide on a plan of defense before you talk to anybody.

[Paul]

Just edit your posts or ask the moderators to delete this thread....
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[Ozzie]

Doesn't the car have to go through some sort of roadworthiness examination when changing title/registration.
We do here.
How did it pass?
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Porsche 924 1984 (UK import) NA
Its AUTO and its BLACK
Montego Black on black/red
Engineer of Electro/Mechanical Systems Maintenance