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steeny  



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: car is running again - some minor PO issues Reply with quote

well, i have finally got my car back on the road. who knew it would take so long to get the little pigtail heater hose. then there was the issue with a broken heater flange. but now its all together, and it even started first time

so, i'll start with what i've done, and then move onto the problems

DONE

All heater and cooling hoses. complete system flush out. re-install.
removed air conditioner and given to ozzie.
relocated fuse box to custom mount in passenger footwell. (this makes it a heap easier to get at, and the mounts were all screwed up anyway. damn PO's)
replaced flasher relay (after police told me they were flashing too fast)
replaced fuel pump relay
new steering column bearing and spacer (this makes a huge difference)
re-wired stereo to operate on accesories
relocated battery to rear passenger well (2guage positive run to front through firewall, ground strap to body work in rear well)
replaced ground wire from coil to engine (8 guage insulated)
replaced ground wire from body to block (2 guage insulated)
repaired rust in battery compartment


PROBLEMS
there is a green plug in the engine bay that was simply jumpered to itself and taped. after removing the tape and the jumper, the fuel pump stops working. replacing the jumper makes the fuel pump work again.

Fuel pump works continuously. doesn't stop after any lenght of time when key is left at on position without starting.

intermittent ticking noise coming from fusebox. touching relays gives me the inpression that a relay is firing intermittantly, though i'm not sure which one. (is it safe to just remove them one at a time till the ticking goes away?)

ticking from the top end of engine - i think its just valves, though i havent looked yet

I still have a problem with my heater, too many broken parts and not enough clips to hold the cables properly. i'm trying to think through a workthrough for this problem that would at least let me use the defrost setting

that may be it. anyone have any idea about my fuel pump problems? should that green plug go somewhere? (the answer does a bear shit in the woods comes to mind, but isn't particularly helpful)

any help would be much appreciated.

cheers
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forget the color, but check your airbox for a place for that green plug. Some models of your vintage, had a fuel pump cutoff switch in the air box.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: car is running again - some minor PO issues Reply with quote

steeny wrote:
well, i have finally got my car back on the road. who knew it would take so long to get the little pigtail heater hose. then there was the issue with a broken heater flange. but now its all together, and it even started first time

so, i'll start with what i've done, and then move onto the problems

DONE

All heater and cooling hoses. complete system flush out. re-install.
removed air conditioner and given to ozzie.
relocated fuse box to custom mount in passenger footwell. (this makes it a heap easier to get at, and the mounts were all screwed up anyway. damn PO's)
replaced flasher relay (after police told me they were flashing too fast)
replaced fuel pump relay
new steering column bearing and spacer (this makes a huge difference)
re-wired stereo to operate on accesories
relocated battery to rear passenger well (2guage positive run to front through firewall, ground strap to body work in rear well)
replaced ground wire from coil to engine (8 guage insulated)
replaced ground wire from body to block (2 guage insulated)
repaired rust in battery compartment

excellent.
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PROBLEMS
there is a green plug in the engine bay that was simply jumpered to itself and taped. after removing the tape and the jumper, the fuel pump stops working. replacing the jumper makes the fuel pump work again.

The fuel pump gets its power from junction 87 of the fuel pump relay if wired original. A branch, in parallel, goes to the warm up regulator and the Auxiliary Air Valve. The only way there should be a plug between the fuel pump relay and the fuel pump is if the PO or someone rerouted the wiring.
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Fuel pump works continuously. doesn't stop after any lenght of time when key is left at on position without starting.
intermittent ticking noise coming from fusebox. touching relays gives me the inpression that a relay is firing intermittantly, though i'm not sure which one. (is it safe to just remove them one at a time till the ticking goes away?)

The relay is supposed to be hot at 87 only when starting & running, not with the key switched on engine off. The only thing you can do is keep testing, crawl under the dash with a flashlight and check / rebuild the wiring from the wiring diagrams available. Likely you'll find a wad of melted wire under the dash. Definitely remove them one at a time until the ticking goes away, but keep in mind that it might not just be a bad relay.

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ticking from the top end of engine - i think its just valves, though i havent looked yet

Adjust your valves ASAP. The clearances are 0.004 in for intake, 0.016 in for exhaust (cold). The weapon is a 3 mm allen wrench, one full turn at a time on the tappets, but not too tight or there might be a problem.
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I still have a problem with my heater, too many broken parts and not enough clips to hold the cables properly. i'm trying to think through a workthrough for this problem that would at least let me use the defrost setting

that may be it. anyone have any idea about my fuel pump problems? should that green plug go somewhere? (the answer does a bear shit in the woods comes to mind, but isn't particularly helpful)

any help would be much appreciated.

cheers

Going to need more info on the heater, you probably ought to test the motor itself & make certain it's still working. Good luck!
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steeny  



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alright, the green plug runs to the back of the air filter, right neat the big round rubber boot. theres also a blue one and a brown one that run to the AAV and WUR. placing the green one in the right place certainly still lets the fuel pump work. but still it doesn't turn off. jsut keeps buzzing away.

guess i have to remove the relay and check the voltage at each pin, make sure they are correct. its too cold and dark now, but i'm thinking of taking tomorrow off, so i'll probably have a look then

the heater motor certainly works (i plugged it in while it was out to repair the flange). the problems i'm having refer to the wires that operate the flap at the bottom and the heater valve. somone previously has broken many of the clip mounts. which means that the cables are no longer held in place, so the centres cant move and do their jobs. i'm thinking i might just make sure the heater valve one works, and put the motor on a switch so i can at least demist the windscreen.

i'll definately adjust the valves tomorrow too.

cheers everyone
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't forgotten about those alternator mounts mate.
Should be getting some as soon as I get my shed back.
(been restoring a UC Torana for the daughter, still got entire diff and rear end off being overhauled.)
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Tiny  



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

man, i would really love to know where i could get a new steering column bearing and spacer..
how and where did you get yours?

thanks
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steeny  



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

umm, probably from performance parts

http://www.automotion.com/productpage.aspx?pid=105899&name=Complete+Steering+Wheel+Bearing

thats looks like what i brought. i actually didn't know where it went until i started putting the ignition back together. and the circlip holding it in is a bastard to get out. as far as i know the spacer is simpy the insert that goes in the middle. anyway, before i had horrible slop in the steering, now i dont, so something must have worked.


anyway, hope that helps.

cheers
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for the link! can't wait to shut my steering wheel clatter up once and for all! not sure what "slo" though?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your local Porsche dealer may be quicker and nearly the same cost.
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steeny  



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, not sure about those in the UK, perhaps your porsche dealers are worthwhile.

i cant seem to get anything here for anywhere where near what i'd call a reasonable price. even with postage from US to Australia, it ends up costing me a heap less, esp if i can find two or three things that i need at the one time. and not to mention that between pelican and performance parts, i can also get about 50% more parts. something as simple as the heater flange is simply unavailable in australia unless you buy it second hand, connected to a heater core. and then they want about $au 150 for it.

anyway, theres my rant for today. still havent adjusted those valves. time is passing me by real quick these days.
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