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What do I need to know before I go in for an alignment?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: What do I need to know before I go in for an alignment? Reply with quote

Hi there, so on a77 924 NA, what's the deal? Drop my car off, say "line it up" and leave?

1. Does there have to be any weight in the car?

2. Full tank of gas?

3. Any special tools?

4. Any special places to adjust?

5. Should I bring the Haynes manual?

6. Is there a type of alignment machine that I should stay away from or specifically use?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, make sure you go somewhere that knows how to do a four wheel alignment, not just a front (don't assume...alignment means different thing to different shops).

Second, make sure the shop has the proper eccentric tool to do the rear adjustment.

Third, get a firm price quoted up front before you commit to having the work done.

Fourth, make sure it's a shop that has done Porsches before.

I had a heckuva time finding a shop that was willing to touch my car. None of the run-of-the-mill tire shops would give me a quote because the car was over 20 years old, they would only quote an hourly rate. They cited the likelihood of having to replace old parts (nevermind the fact that I had just replaced all of the dampers, strut inserts, bushings, tie rod ends, etc. on my own). Also, none of them had the right eccentric tool, so I ended up buying my own just in case.

In the end, I took it to the Porsche dealer. They quoted me $199. Then I went to pick it up and they were crying and moaning because it took them 6 hours to get it right. Then they took the car thru their carwash and promptly snapped off my brand new replacement antenna mast because they didn't bother turning the radio off. So they had to buy a replacement for that.

Since then, I have found a local frame shop that will do 4 wheel alignments for $60. But I had to learn the hard way. Hopefully, you'll find someone knowledgeable in your area who knows what they're doing and won't rip you off or break your car in the process
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
First, make sure you go somewhere that knows how to do a four wheel alignment, not just a front (don't assume...alignment means different thing to different shops).

Second, make sure the shop has the proper eccentric tool to do the rear adjustment.

Third, get a firm price quoted up front before you commit to having the work done.

Fourth, make sure it's a shop that has done Porsches before.

I had a heckuva time finding a shop that was willing to touch my car. None of the run-of-the-mill tire shops would give me a quote because the car was over 20 years old, they would only quote an hourly rate. They cited the likelihood of having to replace old parts (nevermind the fact that I had just replaced all of the dampers, strut inserts, bushings, tie rod ends, etc. on my own). Also, none of them had the right eccentric tool, so I ended up buying my own just in case.

In the end, I took it to the Porsche dealer. They quoted me $199. Then I went to pick it up and they were crying and moaning because it took them 6 hours to get it right. Then they took the car thru their carwash and promptly snapped off my brand new replacement antenna mast because they didn't bother turning the radio off. So they had to buy a replacement for that.

Since then, I have found a local frame shop that will do 4 wheel alignments for $60. But I had to learn the hard way. Hopefully, you'll find someone knowledgeable in your area who knows what they're doing and won't rip you off or break your car in the process


Gebus, it would have been less work to rebuild all of the roads near you than do an alignment!

I'll start calling around.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, repairing the roads would actually be a welcome outcome, here in Southeast MI

FYI, here is an eccentric tool similar to the one I bought...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180156735440
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the earlier design of rear suspension (and you should, unless it was changed), there is no rear camber adjustment, and the toe adjustment eccentric tool that's used on the later '78-up suspension won't work on your car. -But since the early suspension was derived from VW, a shop that deals with older VWs would be your best bet for having the tools and know-how.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Ideola suggests, make sure your suspension is in good condition first. No point having it done on faulty ball joints or strut mounts only to have to do it again after.

When ringing around ask them questions like how do you adjust the front camber? or do you need any special tools? If you dont get the correct answer try elsewhere.

This is how it should be done, with all wheels aligned together.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all, I will re-read this thread a few time to make sure I have everything in order.

Also I think when I had the Bimmer done last they had it on a hoise but the wheels wheels supported the car. Sort of like the naughty picture Roger posted.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car doesn't need a 4 wheel alignment anyway

You only go get an alignment if your car is pulling to one side or another. 99% of the time that is because the toe is out of alignment.

No need to spend money if you don't need to.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PORSCHEV wrote:
The car doesn't need a 4 wheel alignment anyway

You only go get an alignment if your car is pulling to one side or another. 99% of the time that is because the toe is out of alignment.

No need to spend money if you don't need to.


I thought when you mount tires you're supposed to get an alignment done. No?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Since then, I have found a local frame shop that will do 4 wheel alignments for $60. But I had to learn the hard way. Hopefully, you'll find someone knowledgeable in your area who knows what they're doing and won't rip you off or break your car in the process


+1 to finding a frame shop to do it. These guys know all the suspension setups and are familar with the different designs. I had similar bad experiences with the dealership. The guy at the frame shop knew the car well although he hadn't done one in a while. He also did not have the special eccentric tool to do the rear adjustment, but was able to make do with the tools he had on hand...........just took a little longer. I guess that'll depend on how creative the guy is. Total time was approx. 4 hours for front and rear at a cost of $140 (that was 2 years ago). He used and recommended a Hunter Alignment Rack and claimed it was the best in the business. He uses it for frame straightening.

Totally transformed the handling when he was done (my camber was a little off and I wasn't getting optimal contact patch). Autocrossing, it felt like I had 4-wheel steering. BIG improvement.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PORSCHEV wrote:
TYou only go get an alignment if your car is pulling to one side or another. 99% of the time that is because the toe is out of alignment.


Actually, pulling to one side is often a result of caster issues in the front, or toe in the rear as far as allignment is concerned. It can also be caused by a stuck calliper or a low tire, however I'd suspect the design of the 924 front suspension would limit this cause somewhat.
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