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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: I'm back on the road! |
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After my car was kinda flooded in autumn I stripped the whole interior.
I got the alternator being rebuilt (didn't do much over 12V and had to recharge my battery every week, also made a nice squeeky noise as if my v-belt was slipping...which it wasnt).
Repaired my rustless batterybox (had a crack in it, probably metal fatigue).
Some of my gray/blue wires melted to other wires... replaced all damaged wires, also replaced the wires from de starter motor and the alternator.
My current is now 13,63 or something like that. Want to make another extra ground wire from the alternator directly to the battery.
Today I made my first drive... drives good only thing that's important is a new clutch since I've got some play in that
at 5000 rpm the engine dips, probably ignition. Runs bad when started, probably the fuel distributor and the auxilary air tube on my intake boot... that's a piece of garden hose at the moment
the fuel pump doesn't work sometimes, but I think it's the relay... those thingies are quite expensive and Ive got a jumperthingie to override the relay in the worst case.
when converting to megasquirt I won't need the relay so that's a nice €130 saved.
Fuel gauge flips... varies from nothing to the current level, dependant on what electrical stuff is on.
I think it's a ground problem at the sensor or something. Want to check it out anyway.
So... after a few months of nothing, my car is better then when I bought it, so I'm semi happy.
I didn't want to convert to MS anymore because it's so expensive and the government overhere is trying to f*ck us up.
You'll have to pay by km instead of the usual "road tax" which is nothing for my 25 yr old car.
the only thing I have to pay is the gasoline and insurance (70eur/yr). If those new plans are pushed through, my old car becomes expensive...
But, now it runs again... and I still want to convert found some nice new K&N filters over in the US, will be 150 euro including shipping... that's not too expensive.
Only things I'll have to buy are a LC1 sensor, EGT sensor, IAT sensor, fuel pressure regulator, and the MS unit itself.
When the MS fuel runs nice, I'll replace the head gasket, or maybe the whole head which will be adjusted to the diameter of my new inlet.
When thats done, Ill run spark too.
So much plans for my 924, so little money and time
anyway.. this thread is to tell everyone that I'm happy it runs again  _________________ "Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)
924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Hey..good to hear that your car is runing again!
its the blue one..right?
I can put you in contact with a guy who can sell you K&N filters for a lot cheaper...i payed 65 EUR for a 924 KN filter.
If the car is runing rough thats not necesarly the distributor...chech the plugs the injectors the WUR the AAV....lots of things..check the fuel pump relay..check everything before you start throwing money. Good luck ! _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| morghen wrote: | Hey..good to hear that your car is runing again!
its the blue one..right?
I can put you in contact with a guy who can sell you K&N filters for a lot cheaper...i payed 65 EUR for a 924 KN filter.
If the car is runing rough thats not necesarly the distributor...chech the plugs the injectors the WUR the AAV....lots of things..check the fuel pump relay..check everything before you start throwing money. Good luck ! |
no it's the silver grey (weissach?) one
the injectors and seals are replaced, but I can't get the right CO value, so there's something wrong.
I've already got a K&N filter (cleaned and reoiled a few months ago) in my 924 but I've built a nice inletsystem which I'll use for megasquirt.
Hence I need 4 seperate K&N filters, which are normally fitted on motorcycles.
fuel pump relay is bad like I said, but I'm not prepared to pay more than 100 eur. for a new one because I don't need the relay when I've got megasquirt.
new clutch and tires are the next thing  _________________ "Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)
924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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leadfoot

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 2222 Location: gOLD cOAST Australia
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Is this the CO value at idle??
Is it too rich or too lean??
I've heard that quad throttles are hard to tune on these cars...
I'm not sure if megasquirt has an idle lock function, but what you can do is set via RPM/TPS/Load a set amount of injector time or ignition timing to stabilise idle...
It doesn't look like you have any provisions for idle air bypass, and if your bypass screw is out of range i.e not getting enough air at idle you could use a trick that some larger engines do and drill a hole in the throttle butterflys. I think it is about 1/4 to 1/2 the diameter of the air bypass screw. You then can screw the screw in so it's closed and you have more adjustment for air if you screw it out again.
Otherwise install a bypass solenoid that works off PWM to control idle and run this to each throttle body.
Leadfoot _________________ 1981 ROW 924 Turbo -
carbon fiber GT mish mash
LS1 conversion in progress... |
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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| leadfoot wrote: | Is this the CO value at idle??
Is it too rich or too lean??
I've heard that quad throttles are hard to tune on these cars...
I'm not sure if megasquirt has an idle lock function, but what you can do is set via RPM/TPS/Load a set amount of injector time or ignition timing to stabilise idle...
It doesn't look like you have any provisions for idle air bypass, and if your bypass screw is out of range i.e not getting enough air at idle you could use a trick that some larger engines do and drill a hole in the throttle butterflys. I think it is about 1/4 to 1/2 the diameter of the air bypass screw. You then can screw the screw in so it's closed and you have more adjustment for air if you screw it out again.
Otherwise install a bypass solenoid that works off PWM to control idle and run this to each throttle body.
Leadfoot |
CO is at idle indeed. that's how it's measured at the official checkup every year. passed it on the edge last time, and adjusted the car so lean that the CO was good, but the car nearly was driveable.
But, this is with CIS, so MS should give a better CO... MS is not yet installed
I don't have a bypass indeed, thats one of the problems I have to solve, fast idle ...
the tb's are 40mm in diameter, that could give some problems too for tuning... _________________ "Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)
924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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the fun is over already...
thought I'd take the car to school today, 20km highway... but when I went back home and was passing by another car (130 km/h or something) the car suddenly lost power and I directly kicked down the clutch pedal and got off the highway.
Though it could be a loose spark plug cap or the fuelpump. So I tried to start again, engine was hard to turn but fired on 2 or 3 legs. The fuelpump was buzzing so that wasn't the problem. I couldn't reach the spark plugs because the enginebay was too hot. But those were fine too.
I called the service thingie to tow me away... in the mean time I noticed my coolant fluid was gone... just gone...
I refilled it a few days ago when the car was first fired up again (at that time the coolant was gone too...) Yesterday the level was fine... and now it was suddenly gone.
Anyway... It probably ran hot or something... quite a bummer, but no disaster.
I've bought a spare engine for 75 eur, just for the cylinder head...
Now I want to rebuild that engine: new rod bearings, new crankshaft bearings, new seals.
The only thing is that I really want to place new pistons... so that the engine is almost at best...
Problem is money... and I don't know what pistons to buy... stock? more compression? less compression for my dirty turbo/supercharger dreams?
Or just new piston springs and use the current pistons (which I don't know any mileage of)..
though choices...
anyway... I'll rebuild the engine, completely adapted for megasquirt with my new intake and stuff... and than it's almost plug & play.
This will take a while... but that's no problem... when it's on the driveway I can't drive it against a tree or something so that's a little pro... (no it's plain stupid to think that way).
Anyway... I had my week of fun  _________________ "Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)
924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Nice looking car, Martijnus.
Also, your inlet manifold looks very nice. Are they the Weber throttle bodies? What injectors do you need for these? I like the welding on the manifold; really neat - did you do that yourself?
Have you tried sourcing parts from the UK? Fuel pump relays here are about £25, which is only around €35! They must be screwing in Holland worse than over here. Still, your insurance is really cheap...!  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: I'm back on the road! |
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| Martijnus wrote: | | If those new plans are pushed through, my old car becomes expensive... |
If the Greenies get their way, all cars will be expensive...  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mike924 wrote: | Nice looking car, Martijnus.
Also, your inlet manifold looks very nice. Are they the Weber throttle bodies? What injectors do you need for these? I like the welding on the manifold; really neat - did you do that yourself?
Have you tried sourcing parts from the UK? Fuel pump relays here are about £25, which is only around €35! They must be screwing in Holland worse than over here. Still, your insurance is really cheap...!  |
the throttlebodies came from a GSXR1000 K2 (K2 = 2002 or so.. the newer ones have 2x2 tb's and aren't completely seperateble).
I've fabricated the inlet myself, except for the welding It's stainless steel and I was told a lot that it warps when you weld it.
So a brother of a collegue welded it for me... nicely done indeed! Didn't cost me anything (the steel was obtained for € 15 .. gave him a pack of cigarettes for the effort.
I'll use the stock GSX injectors, they should go till 300HP and I'm glad if I reach half of that
A 1000cc engine revving 10000+ rpm, needs probably as much fuel as my porsche with 2000cc and 5000 rpm so that won't be a problem.
There's a topic in tech "behold my new intake manifold" which explains the rest.
I'm on ebay a lot to find some cheap parts, but I don't want to buy a fuel relay. When the car is fired again, megasquirt is installed and the relay isn't necessary anymore.
With a new relay, the engine has to be opened anyway so that doesn't solve my problems anymore.
I don't have experience with car engines running hot, but my motorcycles (air cooled) and mopeds always had enough damage on the pistons to replace them.
Some people tell me a car engine doesn't damage a lot when this happens but I doubt it...
Anyway... today I've been dropping the engine of my supermoto... I accidently dropped a helicoil in it and the complete engine has to be opened (yeah... I've got four bikes and a porsche, and only one drives...but I don't tell that when people ask )
The supermoto has to be finished first, because it's more fun than getting stuck in traffic with a non-airconditioned porsche.
Damn... I want to complete my hovercraft too... that will be more fun than anything else
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924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Hovercraft!!!!  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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yeah too bad I crashed it the first day it came loose... it went down and the engine in the front moved a little... the green fan under it became 1000 lethal pieces but I didn't get hurt
So when I find a new fan I can build a nice skirt and throw my ultralight airplane engine in the back for propulsion...
fun stuff 5hp lawnmower engine can lift 300-400 kg easily  _________________ "Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)
924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Are there any small parts that I can carry over in my luggage for you? _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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Martijnus

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 2019 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Paul wrote: | | Are there any small parts that I can carry over in my luggage for you? |
I've thought about that too but I can't think of anything I really need which isn't available here...
but thanks anyway! _________________ "Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)
924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment |
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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But you grow some nice stuff in Holland that Paul could take back...  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Mike924 wrote: | But you grow some nice stuff in Holland that Paul could take back...  |
Perfect. . .just in time for San Diego! _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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