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tuurbo · Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: Iranian 924s

We should send some guns over in crates to Iran to help those guys out. They'd be a lot more persuasive with the local constabulary and military.

Maybe they can accomplish what they want to accomplish with cameras. Maybe the internet will save them (unlikely).

Maybe Obama will save them (very unlikely).

It's like, in Starship Troopers, what the teacher was tellin' the kids in class: Political power is nothing without force.

I figure, they ought to have a General Strike like the Poles did. Sweat them out.

The students and protesters can be as non violent as they wish, but I don't see these clerics as negotiating types. The power relations in that country are a bit unknown to me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/20/2603897.htm?section=world

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8099952.stm

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/200961821430303166.html

Any predictions?
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xpernet · Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:10 am Post subject:

My prediction:

Some external force is going to get involved to "rectify" the situation, rather than have them solve it amongst each other (which is usually the best solution... especially in a country that thinks the west is the root of all evil

). Then the country is going to rip itself apart... No question in that. Iran then shares the same fate as Iraq.

End of story... Idiots like them give us Muslims such a bad reputation

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tuurbo · Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:23 am Post subject:

I hope my depiction of this guy as feminine isn't insulting to anyone's idea of Islam - I figure if this man is man enough to get his army to keep civil disobedience suppressed, he can take the jab. He's stopped being a religious leader and begun the job of being head of state.

I hope Iran doesn't rip itself apart - great history and intellectual legacy there. I gotta have faith that the Iranian people are smart enough to get themselves some clout without all the shit that often accompanies it.
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Scorpio · Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

Why is it that the Wests solution is always to "send more guns" across?

Have you ever thought that just perhaps the media could be blowing the story out of proportion? You have to see the story from both sides not just the side portrayed in the Western based/owned media

P.s suppresion of any human rights is criminal and should be punished but could it be opportunistic of the west to "blow it out of proportion" and further isolate an already struggling country?
Talk to the majority of Iranians and see who they voted for..not just the ones shown on TV
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Rasta Monsta · Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW

As long as religion exists, it will be used by the powerful to manipulate and control the ignorant. Such has it been since the beginning of time.
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rkn · Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 176 Location: Copenhagen

Spoken as a true Leninist, Rasta!

kidding...but I couldn't agree more.

Again we see why God does not belong in politics (yes that means you too America

)
Using God as your indisputable tool removes the option of compromise, which is the basis of any democratic society.

Right after the election, Khamenei called Ahmedinejad's victory "divine", and now there is no going back without losing face as a religious leader.
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morghen · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania

True Rasta, but without religion...most of us would be lost...i mean if it never existed than yea...who knows what we would have came up with to manipulate ourselves..but if right now somehow religion would disolve 90% of the population would go insane when hitting any obstacle in life...even those who declare themselves independent will cry for god in a dificult situation.

We've made ourselves dependent on all these types of pshihical and spiritual slopes that help us go trough dificulties and not hit the ground hard...without religion life would be much harder on us...we're weak and...fuzzy..i belive if it werent for religion we would be cold blodded beasts. Much of the progress of mankind is because of people using religion to focus the masses.

most people need god when they dont understand or cant solve a situation.
with a great risk i will say that religion is a necesary evil...it manipulates us but it also controls us, guides us and defines who we are.
we've grown constient of its use and ways of operating but i'd say its necesary.
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tuurbo · Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject:

You can deny the reports of real Iranians if you wish. I don't care really. If you believe the vote count was accurate, or rigged, is really not an issue. The issue is "Do Iranians believe they've been ripped off" and the answer seems clearly to be Yes.

I am ALL for making distinctions between manufactured crisis and real crisis - but this is ridiculous.

You 'heard' and 'saw' the leader of Iran ban public demonstrations ffs. And you 'hear' and 'see' demonstrators fighting back. Reports from demonstrators are saying people have been shot and are fighting back with rocks.

Please specify: What kind of proof do you require that this civil unrest is real?

As for Rasta's point I think it's a good one. In the US we had a dispute over an election and the issue was eventually resolved in a court of law - the Supreme Court if I recall - an arbiter everyone can trust.

In a theocracy, the final arbiter may not even be the word of the Supreme Ayatollah, and is not by rule of a Supreme Court. Rather, it's in the hands of the theocracy, whose rules you either trust or you don't trust. It seems to me, at minimum, all he's saying is that theocracies often rely on people 'trusting' in God's goodness when religious men make decisions for the majority. Such trust, we can all agree, 'may' be very misplaced, history has shown.
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