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OT: What kind of cocamamie radio is this?

 
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emoore924  



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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject: OT: What kind of cocamamie radio is this? Reply with quote

Ok, so I'm replacing an old radio in my RV, this thing is so old is has knobs and the radio is tuned by sliding the little tuner like a slide rule (if you have to ask...).

I pull the headunit out, if you can call it a headunit and I find that while there is a unique (+) for each speaker, there's a *common* (-) lead shared by all 4 speakers, rather than a (-) for each one.

So, I wire up the new unit with the (-) shared, and no mas, nothing out of the speakers. I bench tested the new unit with the (+) and (-) wired as they should and it makes beautiful music.

Anyone heard of this common, shared (-) setup before? I'd like to use the existing wiring and rather not have to run new wires all over the coach if I can help it but I don't think the new headunit will work with the shared (-) wires...

Thoughts? Advice?
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So thats how you spell cocamamie. thanks
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I've seen car stereos like that too. A brand spanking new one that I helped install in the '90's had the wiring just like that -- a common wire to all speakers, and a signal for each speaker.

I'd expect you'd find that exact same arrangement in most head units, although the connection might be internal to the box.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm... that is abit of a thing of the past., Modern equipment shares nothing, in order to improve stereo interchannel rejection.

I remember car radios only having 3 wires coming out the back:

1) 12v supply
2) Ground
3) Speaker

You ran one wire to a mono speaker and then grounded the other side of the speaker.

They also had a polarity switch on them in order to determine the polarity of the radio's ground. this was so they could be fitted to positive earth vehicles. (yep, i have owned a positive earth vehicle)

Back then you only had one speaker, unlike now


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9XX Girl! wrote:
hmmm... that is abit of a thing of the past., Modern equipment shares nothing, in order to improve stereo interchannel rejection.


Probably old but not necessarily. Some low end radios/CDs like cheap Chinese ebay crap and those fitted to basic budget cars often use a common earthed speaker output. It has nothing to do with channel separation.

A conventional earthed audio output stage (amp) running directly (no dc-dc) from a nominal 12V supply can only push a certain amount of power into a load, say 4 ohm. To permit greater positive and negative output voltage swings, means more power, a bridged or push-pull configuration can be used. Double the voltage, quadruple the power.

This involves 2 actual amplifier circuits, one inverted, running together as one. Allows output voltage to get close to +/- that of supply. The technology has been around since the early valve days but now incorporates up to 4 channels op on a single chip. MOSFET power stages, discreet & packaged, have improved the efficiency dramatically, lower internal resistance, less heat, more power. There is little overall cost difference for an electronics manufacturer to give a conventional 12W output or the more accepted 50W bridged. Still 12W x 2 in a Kia is all a Kia driver needs, Less power = cheaper speakers, less copper in the wiring and a cheaper car overall.

9XX Girl! wrote:

I remember car radios only having 3 wires coming out the back: They also had a polarity switch on them in order to determine the polarity of the radio's ground. this was so they could be fitted to positive earth vehicles. (yep, i have owned a positive earth vehicle)

Yep, me too. They were both Pommy heaps of $hit. Lucas electrics too!

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh heh.

I rewired it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahem, speaking about stereos. I connected a "test-lamp" to the ignition switch and put the tip from the lamp on the chassis of my radio and the lamp shined bright......is that normal?

And yes, my friends are not electric...


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: OT: What kind of cocamamie radio is this? Reply with quote

emoore924 wrote:
So, I wire up the new unit with the (-) shared, and no mas, nothing out of the speakers. I bench tested the new unit with the (+) and (-) wired as they should and it makes beautiful music.

emoore924 wrote:
Heh heh.

I rewired it.


You either have a good stereo mate or been sacrificing virgins to the lucky gods. That usually blows the output ic much quicker than saying $hit!
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naw, its a crapo headunit but hey, it works. Better than the one with the buttons.

The RV has a really cool chrome wheels, an awesome stereo (now) and a big wing on the back (really). I guess you could say it is kind of like a giant tuner RV, but from 1984. Quite the sight. Kind of a blend of the Space Shuttle and Fast and the Furious.
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