Show full size 924Board.org
Discussion Forum of 924.org
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
 Technical FAQ924 FAQ (Technical)   Technical924 Technical Section   Jump to 924.org924.org   Jump to PCA 924 Registry924 Registry

Starter for the NA

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
BionicBalls  



Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 642
Location: Charlotte, NC

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Starter for the NA Reply with quote

My starter has been giving me some trouble for awhile now. Every now and then my starter will turn over really slowly for a few revolutions and then will finally kick into gear and the car will start. Today after driving home, I stopped to check the mail and when I got back in to start her up the starter started turning over really slowly, but never kicked into gear. I let her sit for a few minutes and after a few slow revolutions, the starter kicked it up a notch and started the car.

I'm thinking that the solenoid may need to be cleaned up, and I definitely need to get a heat shield over it to protect it from my header.

If that turns out to not be the problem, I will be looking to buy a new starter, but I figure I should go ahead and upgrade if I'm replacing it. I saw a thread where raceboy said that a stater from an Auid 80 2.3L would bolt-in and it's a gear reduction starter.

I did a few searches on Ebay and came up with these two results:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360303782796&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400113858516&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Which one is the correct one?

I know that the first one says that it's for a 924, but we all know that most sellers don't know wtf they are talking about on Ebay. Plus the ad says that it is for an Audi 80 with a 2.2L engine and the part number listed don't seem to match ones that I've seen on here before.

The second one has PN #: 0-001-108-026 which is I believe the number that martjinus used on his car.
_________________
1980 924 NA
1982 931
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fiat22turbo  



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 4040
Location: Portland, OR

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://garage.ideola.com/prod-HiTorque.html
_________________
Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
BionicBalls  



Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 642
Location: Charlotte, NC

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, not trying to spend $225 for a gear reduction starter when I can get one for more than half of that.
_________________
1980 924 NA
1982 931
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the_mad_electrician  



Joined: 16 Nov 2009
Posts: 1073
Location: Central Georgia

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beleive that Rock Auto sells starters for the 924 for $80
_________________
81 924 N/A

2004 Ranger "Edge"

2005 Mazda 6
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger
924RACR  



Joined: 29 Jul 2001
Posts: 9120
Location: Royal Oak, MI, USA

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first one looks like the orig stock one to me.

This is the nice, lighter, higher-torque one (though I'm thinking it isn't in fact a gear reduction starter) that I'm using:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bosch-SR10X-Starter-/300474283649?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f5a9b681

It's Bosch reman part # SR10X.

Looks like Dan's got a better price still... definitely last longer, we just had to replace the first SR10X we got on the racecar... but I'm rather certain the ones Dan has wouldn't be legal for the racecar, sadly (or we'd run one).
_________________
Vaughan Scott
Webmeister
'79 924 #77 SCCA H Prod racecar
'82 931 Plat. Silver
#25 Hidari Firefly P2 sports prototype
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
BionicBalls  



Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 642
Location: Charlotte, NC

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the second one only weights

Quote:

Approximate Weight: 8.35 lbs / 3.80 kg


and looks like it'll work. Like I said, cleaning the solenoid may fix my problem and building a heat shield may prevent it. I'm still crossing my fingers that it will, because I've dropped more than enough money on this car here lately.
_________________
1980 924 NA
1982 931
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Smoothie  



Joined: 01 Jan 2003
Posts: 8032
Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My suspects in order of ease to fix -
1- Battery post connections (remove, clean, re-attach..)
2- Starter grounding (remove starter, chase bolt, nut, starter flange, and block threads with taps/dies & clean mounting surfaces).
3- Replace the starter solenoid (combine this with #2 above unless you're feeling lucky/energetic). If the starter is running slow, the solenoid might be corroded internally, and this would either block starter power completely or cause just enough resistance to make it turn slowly. A simple disassemble-clean of the solenoids' piston (armature) and cylinder won't do in this case - the corroded parts in question are deeper inside the solenoid (could be cut open, but then there's no reasonable way to close it back up).
_________________
"..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."


'82 924T, US version, dark green metallic, 5 speed Audi 016G gearbox
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Fifty50Plus  



Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Posts: 1424
Location: Washington DC area

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus one with Smoothie...
Just went through this with a 356 6 volt starter motor. Solenoid kicked good but no spinning of the commutator. Took it apart and one of the brushes was stuck high and away from the commutator. Filed it and got it to make contact but when reassembled, still no spin. Put 6 volts directly to the motor, bypassing the solenoid and no spin. Put 12 volts directly to the motor and it barely spun. Suspect bad commutator. Can't win them all. Now sourcing a reman 356 starter motor.
Chuck
_________________
1979 924 NA race car H-Prod SCCA
1982 924 NA race car - Sold
1981 924 Turbo sold
1982 924 Turbo sold
1972 911 E race car - traded for Cayenne Diesel
1975 914 1.8 Building for H-Prod SCCA
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
!tom  



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 1941
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like worn out brushes.
_________________
78 924 NA
5-lug
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions All times are GMT + 10 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group