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[jacobscott209]

Hi everyone. Owner of a major project 77 924s That's been sitting for 16 years. I fell in love with it when I saw it sitting in a field half way covered in grass. I asked the owner if she wanted to sell it and she said "You want it? Take it, titles in the glove box"



All I've gotten about this car since day one is shit! everyone but me hates the thing and can't see the point in me liking it so much. I'm hoping by joining this forum I can find others that understand the obsession.




I've spent about 3 or 4 months figuring out the 30 or so different reasons it wouldn't start or run when it did start.
I've replaced so far:
2 fuel lines, vacuum lines, distributor cap, wires spark plug and other(< these are some of the things that were damaged by rodents).
fuel injectors, cold start valve, and filter were clogged from sitting. gas tank was filled with some junk that reminded me of seaweed put through a blender and took me a while to clear out.
Aux air valve, not really sure what that even does but it worked I guess...
Air intake tube was pretty warped causing a leak between the throttle body and the fuel distributor/air box I held it over a hot burner on my stove for about an hour heating and reshaping it..
Battery: went the cheap route and got a used one with different posts so I ended up redoing the battery connections, didn't look that great anyway.
new tires all around.
Alternator and vbelt
I buffed out the paint with a scouring pad and some rubbing compound(it was heavily water spotted and faded) and the car looks amazing now by the way. I live in an apartment, when they saw it there they told me "get rid of it!" not make it look better or cover it.
There was quite a few more things done, this is just all the stuff I can really think of that HAD to be done.

Finally I had it running like a champ. I'd putted it around a little and noticed it was really difficult to get it into gear, rev would grind and first was nearly impossible 2,3, and 4 were a bit sticky but still made it in.

I went and started it up with the intentions of doing a test drive/ take it to a friends house to get some help with it. I backed out of my spot went to throw it in first pushed a little to hard and clunk, thought I broke the linkage or something so I crawled underneath and everything looks fine. The shifter and linkage will move freely but not grab any gear. No noise, no movement.
I'm not the best mechanic out there and I'm really not the best when it comes to internal transmission.

I guess my questions are:

I have access to a five speed out of an 82 924 non turbo. Is it possible to swap and aside from the transmission itself what else will I need from the other car?

I would prefer to keep mine original with the 4 speed, but I don't even know what I did to it really. What kind of repairs might I be facing and how might I do them? On the car? Do I have to pull the transmission.. so on.

Thanks for any advice. Sorry if I sound a little scattered too.
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[Brockoli]

You are not the only one that loves these cars. I'm in the process of buying my third the only people that didn't like my car or thought it would never run are not car-people. I had so many of them but once you get it running and go around corners like a go kart you will forget about them.

The shift linkage is above the torque tube so you cant really see it from underneath. The linkage is made up of metal bars so I don't think you broke these, unless you turned green and angry when trying to shift. There are a few plastic parts in the shift linkage. I think you broke one of these. The first one to check is a little plastic cup the shifter pivots in. Remove the shift boot and take a look. A new one is a couple bucks.

If that is not broken it might be the plastic parts at the other end of the shift linkage. These are difficult but cheap to replace. Check the PET cAtalog and look at the rear shift linkage. There are 2 plastic washers and a metal cup with plastic inside it. I had to remove my transmission to get to these parts. It's not hard but takes awhile.

Good luck
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'80 924 M471,Wideband O2, Full coilover susp,23/19 sways,Bilstiens,KLA Strut Brace,Roll Bar,Test Pipe,BBS RS, Willwood BBK

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'79 924 Sebring Edition(Sitting)

[jacobscott209]

I'm 100% sure its not the linkage at the shifter as for the linkage at the trans. it was pretty hard to get a peek at it, I had to bend a heat shield back a little but with someone moving the shift lever it seems to have proper movement and no visibly broken parts.



in this picture:

The shaft marked by the green arrow will move in and out of the transmission with shifter movement. I took a pear shaped plate off at the opposite side of this shaft ind the shaft moves in and out on that side also.

marked by the purple arrow that arm moves forward and backward but where it mounts seems a little loose to me... I don't even know what it is though so..? What if anything, does that do?

the red circle is for and adjustment screw. is it possible that that shaft turned a little or something? Might be able to adjust it back? Shot in the dark here.
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[BionicBalls]

Just a guess, but is the clutch cable still intact or maybe it slid off of its perch or needs adjustment. The plastic ends on the early car clutch cables are notorious for breaking.
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1980 924 NA
1982 931

[jacobscott209]

What I'm saying is it doesn't have gears on the shifter not that i can't push into them(a hard time catching the gears was the original problem I had with it and the reason I pushed so hard into first causing the new problem). I can take the shifter and do a big circle with it. there's no longer a pattern it just flops around.
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[!tom]

1) Hard to shift like you initially described could be due to a toasted pilot bearing.

2) Your last description of the shifter flopping around can be caused by the linkage with your purple arrow. That linkage is a pivot for the shifter than controls the side-to-side movement of the lever. This linkage needs to be able to move a little bit to allow the mechanism to work, but it must be intact to function properly. Many people replace the linkage with a homemade version with heim joints on both ends.

3) The bolt you mention (red circle) is a pinch bolt. It's not an adjustment, but rather a clamp. You put the lever in the correct location and tighten the bolt. Often times this type of connection is splined, but in this case, it is not. Therefore, if this bolt backs out, it can be difficult to get the shifter to work properly. If it is loose, then this can cause the shift lever to move too far in the fore-aft direction.
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78 924 NA
5-lug

[jacobscott209]

AWESOME, thanks for the reply that was REALLY informative.

on that pivot, where it connects that "bolt" is it supposed to move when the pivot moves? Or in general is there anything I can do externally to figure out what's going on with it.
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[Grenadiers]

I have a box of shifter linkages and 3 transmissions back in Wisconsin. I won't be back there till April, but if you still need anything by then, let me know. Trannies are free, just a few bucks for packaging and shipping.
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'88 924S Track car.
'89 944 Turbo
2004 Winnebago Vectra monster RV
2012 Jeep Wrangler
2014 Kia Soul
2001 Ford F350 powerstroke

[the_mad_electrician]

I have a similar issue. Mine does it infrequently and while driving. If I stop driving and work the shifter a minute it starts shifting smoothly again. I have not idea what the issue is because I have not tried to fix it. Its been abnormally cold here lately and I usually just go in and do nothing after work lately
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81 924 N/A

2004 Ranger "Edge"

2005 Mazda 6

[turbellion]

also you may have simply broken the welded bolt on the shifter itself, the pibot point on the shifter/ shift rail. mine broke, its very easy to fix. just drill through your shifter and use a like sized bolt with a brass washer. to check if its broken take your shift knob off, peel off your boot and check it out.
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1977 924 euro spec and no emissions equip

[jacobscott209]

The shifter and linkage at the shifter is 100% no problems at all. wasn't even "sloppy" as I've seen mentioned. Had a longer throw than most standards I've seen but was real tight.
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[!tom]

The linkage with the purple arrow has two ends. The end without the arrow is a pivot for the shifter. The other end is just an anchor. The end with the arrow (the anchor end) has to be able to move slightly, which is probably accomplished through flexing of the linkage (I've never taken my car apart enough to verify).

So, the end without the arrow in your picture is a pivot, and the other end isn't.

Is that what you were asking?
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78 924 NA
5-lug

[jacobscott209]

yeah, that's what I was asking basically. Wanted to know if the anchor side you mentioned had any sort of function.
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[jacobscott209]

ok, it was the key on the selector shaft. surprisingly easy to take of by the way. unbolted the linkage from it. took the pear shaped plate off and it slid right out.
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