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ideola
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Location: Spring Lake MI
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 Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Integral Cam profiles ONCE AGAIN AVAILABLE |
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Well boys (and the odd girl or three), I am happy to report that Integral Cam profiles will once again be available, and for the time being anyway, exclusively through yours truly (Ideola's Garage).
I had a long conversation with the folks over at MegaCycle. Long story short, they are inundated at the moment, and were very reluctant to do ANY cams for the 924 because they simply do not have the in-house expertise on the platform. After chatting with them for a while, they took a look at my site and must've deduced that I have at least a modicum of toofah knowledge, and have agreed to allow me to handle orders for the 924 cam profiles. As far as I know, they will not be taking these orders direct.
Now for the catch.
They shared with me that Integral was having some failure issues with some of their billet cams (even though I don't think any of the 924 cams have failed, at least that I'm aware of). Consequently, until they sort out what the problem was (material, process, heat treating, etc.), they will not be making ANY of the Integral profiles on new billet. So the only way to get an Integral profile now is to do a "hardfaced" cam. This is essentially a weld and regrind. There are two distinct advantages that they cited:
- Improved wear characteristics when compared to OEM cams or billet ground cams
- Unlike the straight regrind offerings from Elgin, WebCam, EMW, and others, their process maintains the OEM cam circle and eliminates the need for lash caps to maintain valve adjustments.
The other "catch", if you will, is that their pricing is a LOT higher than what Steve was selling his cams for. Their normal retail price is $625 for catalog hardface cams. I was able to get the price down to $585. Because it is strictly a labor-intensive task, there is no multi-item discount available. Turn around time was quoted to me at roughly 10 days. Their process obviously requires you to send in a core cam. I do have some spares lying about, which I am now going to hold onto for cores, so I can help provide a core if anyone needs one.
I did quite a bit of digging around, and NO ONE that I could find offers the extensive range of profiles specific to the NA and 931 platforms that Integral had developed. WebCam has exactly two profiles, and nothing specific to the 931. Pricing is comparable at ~$570. The rest of the US cam guys are all doing regrinds on existing cam, which mucks with the cam circle and requires the subsequent use of lash caps.
I am planning to send them a cam for the new 941 motor this week. Will report back when I have more hard data on the experience, but in the meantime, I thought you would all be happy to know that we've saved one more piece of toofah-dom from the abyss.
I've updated the site with some details, or you can PM me.
http://garage.ideola.com/prod-2LEngineMods.html
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Min
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Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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wow, nice work ideola.
Min
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tyfighter123
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Dan your the man thanks for your hard work to keep the toofah alive
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Rasta Monsta
Joined: 12 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Get them while they're hot. . .Shaggy loves his Integral.
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tyfighter123
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Rasta, which grind does Shaggy have?
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staticsan
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I have to ask... what does this new cam profile do to the engine behaviour?
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ideola
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:12 am Post subject: |
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From the Integral website, which MegaCycle are currently maintaining:
| Quote: | The normally aspirated (N.A.) Improved Stock cam is designed to be a mild warm-up over the original stock cam. It is intended to be a replacement for the stock cam when someone just wants a really nice running stock motor. A more modern cam design technique enables better valve control at higher rpms. Additionally, the slight increase in area under the curve also gives some extra performance over the stock cam. The idle quality is identical to the stock cam since there is such a small difference in seat duration.
The stage 1 N.A. and turbo cams are a hot street performance grind. There is no loss in low end torque with most of the gain in the mid-range thru top range RPMs. Since it is ground on a new billet, it bolts in just like a stock cam.
The stage 2 N.A. and turbo cams are designed for an engine that has a free flow exhaust system. There is a slight loss in low end torque but a bigger gain in mid-range and top end power.
The stage 3 N.A. and turbo cams are designed for an engine that is driven on the street and also used for club race events. The large gain in mid-range and top end power to 7200 rpm make it ideal for road racing. This cam is intended for modified engines running higher levels of boost and that are driven hard and spend most of their time in the 4500-7200 rpm range.
The stage 4 N.A. and turbo cams are designed for race only use. |
The specifications are still listed on this page, which I will be archiving on my site later this week for safe keeping.
As noted in the OP, Integral is the only cam specialist I've found that has this many profiles, and profiles that are specific to the NA vs. 931.
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emoore924
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I knew I shouldn't throw out those 5 cams last year. A little voice was telling me "no no no". But nobody wanted them so I chucked them anyway. And now it turns out, they would have been perfect for this. I'm an idiot. I'm never throwing anything out again.
grr
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gla924sem
Joined: 08 Nov 2002
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Location: Taylor, Michigan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: Cam |
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Have the Stage 3 in the old #27
Not good for short tracks but..........at Mid Ohio it was fantastic!!!! |
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