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944 fuel tank in a 924S?
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Andre'  



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: 944 fuel tank in a 924S? Reply with quote

Just discovered my fuel tank is leaking gas - rust between the strap and the tank. Could I replace with a 944 gas tank, possibly from a 944 TurboS as found on EBAY?! Not sure here - this tank looks like made from plastic, and I'm also not sure about the fuel pump location on the 944"s. Lot's of questions here- maybe someone knows the answer, or even has a fuel tank available specifically for the 924S?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=29582
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, thank you very much for the link! Excellent write up as to how to fit this late moldel plastic tank to a 924S but - HOLY CRAP - I'm not sure if I want to take it that far...

Probaly easier to just stick to the original!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thought - how about repairing the tank? Having no death wishes here I'm not thinking about a weld job (although it could be done) but how about pop rivets and a sealant that withstands gasoline? Has anyone ever tried this succesfully?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pop rivets, not.

If you can get the area that's leaking very clean:

http://www.bikebandit.com/permatex-instant-gas-tank-repair?WT.mc_id=1484958
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was not a hard project at all, and well worth it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard JB quick weld works far better than the stuff in putty form. It will fill better and seal better. Just make sure to drain the tank first.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rasta Monsta wrote:
Was not a hard project at all, and well worth it.


Agreed - to some extend...

I'd love to get rid of the steel tank but I also like to keep the car original, and my wife is already rolling her eyes...

I'm going to silver solder the tank since it's just a small area that's being affected. For safety reasons I will evacuate the remaining gas fumes using dry ice - don't like the idea of putting water in the tank or using exhaust fumes to create an inert atmosphere. Dry ice is some cool stuff - literally - pure CO2, no remains after its gone and it won't react with the inside of the tank like water does! Tested the soldering part today using scrap sheet metal, and I got a solder penetration of 1/4". Don't see any reason why this should not work, and I just hate the idea of taking half the car apart just because of a small hole in the tank that is repairable!

I'll put up up some pics to show the before and after in a little bit. Thanks everyone.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But after you fix this, you realize there is a design flaw that will cause stress fractures in the stampings on top of the tank?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key is to not allow the tank to pressurize.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rasta Monsta wrote:
But after you fix this, you realize there is a design flaw that will cause stress fractures in the stampings on top of the tank?


By silver soldering you are applying heat to a very small and localized area - don't see how it could affect the stampings on top since the hole is located on the bottom. To dissolve any concerns the dry ice will help to keep the tank cooled (-109F).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metal tanks have a known problem, they suffer from stress cracks on the top of the tank sooner or later.

Some of us do not allow the tank to pressurize to delay this issue.

Maybe we should all file a claim with the NSTB to see if a recall could be done.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
Some of us do not allow the tank to pressurize to delay this issue.


Yeah, a guy on Pelican swapped in a check valve from a different car that doesn't hold back as much pressure? Check the link in my installation thread for details.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My red beast sprung a leak in the tank last Spring. She still runs OK, unless I over-fill the tank. that makes it dicey in traffic.
I finally got a tank this fall out of a 944s2. The proceedure shouldn't be too much different from what Rasta described on the other thread (now part of my shop manual. Thanks!). Once the weather improves to allow for safe operation of my 2 wheeled daily driver, I'll start the swap.

Rasta - Any cautions you can think of for my swap? There isn't anything particular about my 3L and 6sp that would create any issues with a 944s2 tank, is there?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin D sighting!

Just be aware that I failed to photograph one of the important fabricated bits for this swap. . .the line from the pump to the filter was a combination of the toofah rubber/steel line and the late (in my case, 951) line. Also check the parts list carefully. . .you need much more than just the tank.

Maybe I will try to go snap it. . .
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