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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:03 am    Post subject: 924 N/A Peformance Reply with quote

Hi folks!

I wanted to post this question here as it's the most active 924 site.
As a 924 owner, I am incredibly cheap and stingy. Too stingy to pay for a dyno to find out how much power my 924 can make.

However, I have thought of a solution to this issue!
We just need to compare the speed of our cars.

Now, 0-60 is a poor way to measure this, as it requires power shifting and will wreck our drivetrains. It's also dependent on driver skill.

Top speed is also a poor way to measure this, as we could lose our licenses.

In-gear acceleration? Much better.
So the test I propose:

1. Drive at 30mph on a flat road in 3rd gear.
2. Count how many seconds it takes to accelerate to 60mph after flooring it.

Then, using this statistic, we can know how roughly how much of the original 125hp we have by comparing to other people's cars, and considering the person with the fastest time as having 125hp.

I tested this driving home tonight, and got 7 seconds consistently.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Factor to consider that will influence the results:
-Tranny type, 4 or 5 speed as gear ratio will be different
-924 years/version, 95hp, 110hp, 115hp or 125hp
-Total weight of the car with driver and fluid (fuel)
-Tire outside diameter
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only way to get a 924 over 100mph.

- Pull 924 onto cargo crate
- Pack on airplane
- Get to 50,000ft
- Push cargo crate out of plane
- 924 will travel at terminal velocity. New 924 speed record.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

924-76 wrote:
Factor to consider that will influence the results:
-Tranny type, 4 or 5 speed as gear ratio will be different
-924 years/version, 95hp, 110hp, 115hp or 125hp
-Total weight of the car with driver and fluid (fuel)
-Tire outside diameter


And most importantly, road inclination But gearing (4-5spd, wheel size(which affects both gearing and speedo error)) affects a lot to. So this should be GPS speed only..

Much better to use a GPS log. I have one for 931 made at an old airfield...

The fastest ive been on the streets in a n/a is 190km/h speedo, was pretty easy to reach. But having a real airstrip around would be more handy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

924-76 wrote:
Factor to consider that will influence the results:
-924 years/version, 95hp, 110hp, 115hp or 125hp


In Europe (=UK also) only engine that 924 NA has come with is 125hp one. So that is the starting point. And it is simple: if US version is faster, then OP's car has less power than from the factory.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally unreasonable to compare the US emission strangled 924 with the euro spec version anyway!

Your car would have given 125BHP out of the box, but age and years of debatable maintenance would mean a few horses will have run to the hills!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to find what looked like a flat section of road on my way to work.

Two pulls, both around 10.5 seconds.

RPM range for 30 - 60 MPH: 2300 - 4600 RPM.

Lots of variables here!

205-55-R16's too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always found my 924 to have a peaky engine - it likes rpms. I hate driving in town with 30mph speed limit since it bogs down in third below 30, so I try to run 35mph. Going from a steady 30 to 60 is relatively slow until you get on the torque curve. I can go from 0-60mph in around 10sec without doing anything special. Don't be afraid of getting on the power (torque) curve.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think including the "less powerful" portion of the torque curve gives a good indication of the health of the engine. Certainly according to the user manual the 924 should pull roughly the same from 2000 to 5500 rpm (the curve is VERY flat) so I'm not sure our engines are meant to be peaky (although mine is as well, only picks up after 3000 rpm).

Still getting approx 7 second runs on flat road, with the original 14" wheels, 5spd manual, 125 supposed bhp, no extra weight. Still seems unreasonably long given that user manual states a 9.6 second 0-60.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to know if there are physical mechanical differences of the valve or compression of the early American 924's such as what I have Vs. the rest of the n/a 924s.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The earliest cars had more compression and made 125hp, like the Euro cars. That was only the 76 cars I believe. The 77 and later US cars had 95hp cars due to changes in emissions.

I thought I read somewhere that there was a change in valve size from the earliest cars to the later ones? I know there are some differences in the CIS system and the electrical system.

There's more info in the 924.org site in year by year break down and which years received which engines and how to tell the difference externally.
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