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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:03 am Post subject: Slightly OT: 944 Carrera GT? |
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This should be interesting.
Although I notice in the preamble that history (at least as I understood it) is being rewritten...
"...based on the car that saved Porsche, the 944."
Hrm
I was under the impression that 924 was generally regarded as the car that bought Porsche back from the brink?
Are they trying to disown the 924 altogether?  _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Yes. Very much so as is evidenced by what I've gathered from talking to anyone about Porsches who actually knows the time period. Only the 944 gets any sort of recognition or acknowledgement, even though the two cars are essentially the same underneath.
The plus side is that much like the 912 and the 914, eventually prices may climb as people really start realizing how good the cars really were and how rare the exceptionally nice examples are. _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | | ...prices may climb as people really start realizing how good the cars really were... |
I have a deep affection for these cars. You know I do. But I don't think they were ever regarded as very good
| fiat22turbo wrote: | | ...like the 912 and the 914... |
As I understand it, the 912 is more accurately described as a devolution of the 911. It didn't really precede the 911. The 911 wasn't developed from the 912 as the 944 was from the 924. And the 912 was specifically built as a cheapo version of the 911. I think its popularity now is purely because it's effectively an odd and rare-ish variant of the 911.
As such, I don't really consider the 912 as comparable to 924.
The 914 would be a more accurate comparison, as it was a VW originally (and a bit of an oddity). Still, it is air-cooled... as a Porsche "should" be ... and it is mid-engined like a Boxster/Cayman, both traits that no doubt help with its relatively high value. Neither of which the toofah has. _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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Grenadiers
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 3222 Location: Nelson, WI & Prescott, AZ
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I pal around with 3 PCA clubs, and unless you engage 'these people', with your 924 stories/history, they don't care. Showing up their SC's on the track is one way, though, of getting their attention~! _________________ '83 944 Track car.
'88 924S Track car.
'89 944 Turbo
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2012 Jeep Wrangler
2014 Kia Soul
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WEASEL149

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 595 Location: UK, Sheffield
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:18 am Post subject: |
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To quote Trent Reznor those cars are just a "copy of a copy of a copy".
I like 944's and 968's but essentially they're just dumbed down versions of the original 924  _________________ 1979 UK 932 |
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Carrera RSR

Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2312 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Porsche did build a 944 equivalent of a 924 Carrera GT and GTS. They were the 944 Turbo S and 944 Turbo Cup cars. Looks like what he is trying to do is 944 backdate to look like a modified 924 Carrera GT. Just like some companies do in backdating 80's and 90's 911's to look like a more modern Carrera 2.7 RS eg. Paul Stephens or indeed Singer _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
Now www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34690
Then www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=31252 |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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914 are cool...and an aquired taste....but...
If you would have...say...a jacket that you would like to wear wheile driving...the 924 is there for you
Adjust seat...924 is there for you....have children or even a smaller adult...924 is there for you.
And if you had for example...luggage...the 924 is there for you.
Or if you would like to keep up with trafic and get decent mileage...924 is there for you.
For the majority of us the 924 is enough of a handling car...no need for mid engine.
The 912 and the 924 are both lesser versions with the difference that the 912 is an involution while the 924 is a predecessor.
Deciding which one to buy is like deciding if to buy a testicle of a guy who cut off one of his testicles(912) or to buy a testicle of a great man who fell during an epic battle.
| Khal wrote: | The 914 would be a more accurate comparison, as it was a VW originally (and a bit of an oddity). Still, it is air-cooled... as a Porsche "should" be ... and it is mid-engined like a Boxster/Cayman, both traits that no doubt help with its relatively high value. Neither of which the toofah has. |
_________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
https://www.the924.com |
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jason c
Joined: 13 Jan 2014 Posts: 1018 Location: Nwi
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| morghen wrote: | 914 are cool...and an aquired taste....but...
If you would have...say...a jacket that you would like to wear wheile driving...the 924 is there for you
Adjust seat...924 is there for you....have children or even a smaller adult...924 is there for you.
And if you had for example...luggage...the 924 is there for you.
Or if you would like to keep up with trafic and get decent mileage...924 is there for you.
For the majority of us the 924 is enough of a handling car...no need for mid engine. |
You'll need that jacket in the 914 because the heat sucks. The 914's seats do adjust forward & back and they tilt forward & back as a whole, not just the back. The 914 has two trunks so luggage isn't a problem. Kids can fit in the trunks, adults too if you tie them up tight enough. The 914 gets better gas mileage. Neither the 924 or 914 are rockets.
The 924 is definitely more comfortable. |
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edredas

Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 861 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Carrera RSR wrote: | | Porsche did build a 944 equivalent of a 924 Carrera GT and GTS. They were the 944 Turbo S and 944 Turbo Cup cars. |
+1 _________________ '84 944 -White, Brown interior
'84 944 -Red, Automatic
'86 944 -Garnet, Fully loaded, Koni suspension
'87 924S -Red, 300hp 951 swap
'87 924S -Red, Project Car
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GeorgeV

Joined: 14 Mar 2010 Posts: 306 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| morghen wrote: |
Deciding which one to buy is like deciding if to buy a testicle of a guy who cut off one of his testicles(912) or to buy a testicle of a great man who fell during an epic battle.
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How do you think up this stuff? There should be a 924board award for your efforts. _________________ 1981 932 with mods:
http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=37921 |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9102 Location: Romania
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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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its complicated to explain
| GeorgeV wrote: | | morghen wrote: |
Deciding which one to buy is like deciding if to buy a testicle of a guy who cut off one of his testicles(912) or to buy a testicle of a great man who fell during an epic battle.
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How do you think up this stuff? There should be a 924board award for your efforts. |
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https://www.the924.com |
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MikesCoupeGT

Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 474 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I have to say, that there are some people out in the Porsche community and sports car community in general that will gloss over our finely tuned, equally balanced, great handling cars. Then there are others, like those I met last year at the PCA Zone 1 48 hours of Watkins Glen that were really welcoming and glad to see my 924 there and being driven.
For those that want to hate, let them.
They hated the 914 because of its VW 411 heritage. The 912 was basically made to use up the last of the 356 motors. In the end, anyone that knows the history of our beloved mark "Porsche" will know that without VW components there would be no Porsche.
Dr. Ferdinand designed and his on Ferry build the first Porsche #1 from VW Beetle components. And Dr. Ferdinand was the designer of the Original VW Beetle. In my mind they are family and GREAT cars.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers; _________________ Cheers;
MikesCoupeGT
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'83 944
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Ponz
Joined: 10 Jan 2013 Posts: 229 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:23 am Post subject: |
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My first new Porsche was a Bahama Yellow 912. Great car and a lot of fun to drive. It was not tail happy at all. Most people at the time could not tell a 912 from a 911. Most people at the time would not spend the money for a new Porsche.
My car new cost about 5300 dollars new. You could buy American for 2000-2500 dollars. I was not rich and grew up in Harlem NY or Spanish Harlem today. My wife agreed and off we went. At the time in NY you had to be sponsored to join the Porsche Club. I told them F.Y. Sold the car 8 years later for about 4700.
In 1987 I made the trip toStuttgart to pickup my 87 Targa and drove around Bavaria for a while. I still have this car with 48K miles.
Take it from an older person.....buy what you can afford and enjoy it. The same as the guys that still drive Austin Healy 3000, Triumph Midgets, Alfas etc.
vince _________________ 77 1/2 track car
79 931 Euro
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Harm

Joined: 02 Apr 2009 Posts: 1378 Location: Holland
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: 944 Carrera GT? |
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| Khal wrote: |
"...based on the car that saved Porsche, the 944."
Hrm
I was under the impression that 924 was generally regarded as the car that bought Porsche back from the brink?
Are they trying to disown the 924 altogether?  |
Chicken or the egg?
Without the Toofah there wouldn't be a 944 peroid |
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Khal

Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4872 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: 944 Carrera GT? |
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| Harm wrote: | | Without the Toofah there wouldn't be a 944 peroid |
True, of course. Although I thought that was implicit in what I said. _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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